Yep, the AI needs some serious work in Assetto Corsa

acs 2015-08-06 18-28-59-27Over the weekend, Version 1.2 of Assetto Corsa was released, bringing several improvements to the next-generation racing sim that have shot the overall driving experience into the stratosphere, and created a Forza-like online culture with the implementation of a GUI-based server manager. However, the Single Player component of the game has suffered immensely, with the AI being nowhere near an acceptable standard.

The one to bring the AI issues to light was none other than legendary Sim Racing Reddit troll Hexagramme. The user (and his friend Associat0r) was notorious for making posts bashing Assetto Corsa and instead recommending people to buy rFactor 2, leading to several Assetto Corsa fans outright dismissing three videos he’d made documenting numerous glitches and errors with the game’s artificial intelligence. The AI had supposedly been overhauled for the new version of the game according to Kunos developers, and the three videos, totaling almost twenty minutes in length, painted a completely different picture that a lot of people refused to believe – some claiming Hexagramme had hacked the game to intentionally smear Assetto Corsa.

The site ran an article featuring one of Hexagramme’s videos in the overview of the Version 1.2 patch, and reception was so negative that some PRC affiliated folk outright announced they were cutting ties with the site; one removing all articles they’d previously authored.

As who you are appears to determine the validity of your posts in the sim racing community, I made my own video from about 20 minutes of attempting to run a Single Race in Assetto Corsa on a variety of different car/track combinations.

I also recorded it with a potato.

  • An attempt to run a BMW M3 E30 race at Spa under normal conditions (98% AI skill, a temperature of 31 degrees celsius, Green track grip, and a few cars short of a full field) was unrewarding as I passed a majority of the field after two corners.
  • The guy who started next to me in a Lotus 49 race at Vallelunga drove off the track as if we were running the short course.
  • Two corners into a race at the short layout of Silverstone, one of the leading cars promptly stopped in the middle of the track, and three others filed in behind him.
  • The outside pole sitter of a Lotus 49 race at Vallelunga drove into the sand (followed by a friend or two), then proceeded to come back onto the track, wreck the field, and drive off with a car on top of him.

None of this AI behavior is satisfactory, and I’m hoping it gets fixed before a wave of new players are unleashed on the title when it comes to the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 in the future.

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51 thoughts on “Yep, the AI needs some serious work in Assetto Corsa

  1. >No displaying your settings
    >computer barely can record on a single monitor
    >cpu is taxed
    >ai taxes the cpu with high car counts
    >openwheel cars are known to have issues
    >out braking cpu is a feat that nobody could ever do

    what did this prove again?

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  2. Hi IM just a fan of sim racing, you know whats worse then these company’s putting out broken games and charging more money for broken things?

    The community. Yup. People say League of Legends has a toxic community, but damn kid try to show you problems that are with a game and he gets yelled at for it. Congrats kids 10/10 would read all your post

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    1. They will always like whatever is wrong with AC. Their bias is always towards what’s negative on the game. Is like positive doesn’t exist, that’s how they try to portray AC. That just shows their lack of confidence in their preferred game, because they see AC as a threat to rf2 in the sim racing genre. You know why they don’t do the same crusade against other sims? Because they don’t see gsce, pcars, iracing, raceroom as a threat to rf2. They see AC is the only game really competing against rf2, so they will do the best to try to bring it down. But we will see what they do when GSCE evolves more after the Bonanza campaign and starts stealing members from rf2.

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  3. If you want to have fun with the AI you need to do two things:
    Start at the back, and like the gmotor2 based sims, you need to drive slow for the first couple of laps.
    I have concerns that because the AI cars run on the same physics as the player, getting the AI to be more competitive won’t be possible unless this is changed. I am basing this on absolutely nothing.
    Just kind of get the feeling that this taxes the AI more than if the AI physics were a bit more hacky.

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    1. Yes is harder to catch the AI if you don’t pass them all at the start. The problem is that while the AI cars are all packed together, they will run slower. For example in Online racing, the human players in Online barely leave any space open when starting from the grid and following corners. But with AIs, there’s more space, while they will drive slower because of cars ahead, the human driver as the perception he can get through many of them.

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  4. That’s very true. The sim racing community can be as cancerous as it gets especially if you critique someone’s favourite sim. Everyone has to justify their purchase, however the Start Citizen community takes the cake as the most cancerous of all. Check out their subreddit for some quality sucking the dick of Chris Roberts cringe.

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      1. Don’t know who you are (Either Hex or Associat0r), but someone with such horrible grammar shouldn’t be taken too seriously either. Failed attempt at trolling though. You should leave that to the professionals. Have a good weekend there kiddo.

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  5. This has nothing on the SC as above and it is 90% vapourware and will never see the light of day the way it is being sold now. Not even in 2020 when it launches.

    I play offline and so far havent had any issue with the AI. Does that mean it doesnt happen – No.
    And when you say enjoy your broken game what do you mean? Just because it is broken for you doesnt mean it is broken for everyone else. You need beer goggles.

    I could care less that you rip on a sim. Just remember when you lie down with dogs you get fleas with hexagram disease and it spreads. oops too late.

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  6. Trolls and shills are the two sides of the same shitty coin: sim racing community. I don’t know why shills believe they’re any better, they do exactly the same: trying to deform the real situation of a game to change public perception.

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    1. The thing is, siding with the epic Trolls he has, James has now brought into question the credibility of his other enjoyable blog articles, after all if these “factual and incorruptible videos of evidence” are anything to go by, he simply click baits articles.

      The video’s again what exactly do they prove? bugs? what did you do to make them happen? what settings in game did you use? any information that can help people fix the issues is great, someone argued “why should he” well yeah why should he post a video highlighting the issue ? Why in fact would he care that it’s there unless he is trying to discredit and manipulate the view of many people who haven’t even tried it?.
      Mostly all i can see is the Player base agree’s that there are issues, they need to be fixed. But they don’t need a self serving prick to throw it down their throats in an attempt to further his argument that X game is better and they really don’t need to be told to ignore his previous form “because where it comes from doesn’t matter”
      Boy who cried wolf? yeah even simple fairy tales can be used as an analogy

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      1. “The video’s again what exactly do they prove? bugs?”
        Shit AI?

        “what did you do to make them happen?”
        Play the game?

        “any information that can help people fix the issues is great”
        Go ahead, did you work on the source code of AC?

        “someone argued “why should he” well yeah why should he post a video highlighting the issue?”
        Because as a consumer of the produc it’s his god given right to complain if it doesn’t function as advertised?

        “Mostly all i can see is the Player base agree’s that there are issues, they need to be fixed.”
        Mostly all I can see is AC shills who laughed when this blog shat on PCars now getting absolutely bootyblasted and react exactly the same as all the PCars shills did a while ago. People like you.

        ” But they don’t need a self serving prick to throw it down their throats in an attempt to further his argument that X game is better”
        This has been one of the heaviest AC shill-blogs for all I can remember. Now this one time it criticizes the apparent holy grail people like you go absolutely apeshit about it.

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      2. “The video’s again what exactly do they prove? bugs?”
        Shit AI?
        If this was true every one would be suffering from it? Nope no logic needed its ok

        “what did you do to make them happen?”
        Play the game?
        Again If true EVERY Instance would have issues, Thanks

        “any information that can help people fix the issues is great”
        Go ahead, did you work on the source code of AC?
        Did i stutter to hard for you, sorry i implied that it would be helpful when reporting issues to help by making those issue repeatable, again Thanks for being a moron

        “someone argued “why should he” well yeah why should he post a video highlighting the issue?”
        Because as a consumer of the produc it’s his god given right to complain if it doesn’t function as advertised?

        Also in an entertainment buisiness one persons opinion is not fact, how is the product on display not work as functioned? can the player not drive the car? can they not enjoy a simulated motorsport?

        “Mostly all i can see is the Player base agree’s that there are issues, they need to be fixed.”
        Mostly all I can see is AC shills who laughed when this blog shat on PCars now getting absolutely bootyblasted and react exactly the same as all the PCars shills did a while ago. People like you.

        ” But they don’t need a self serving prick to throw it down their throats in an attempt to further his argument that X game is better”

        This has been one of the heaviest AC shill-blogs for all I can remember. Now this one time it criticizes the apparent holy grail people like you go absolutely apeshit about it.

        Nope people are just sick and tired of being berated and attacked by the creator of the videos and are lashing back out, the fact that you state this is an AC shill blog obviously shows some Butthurt about something that has been building up inside, did they something about PCars that made you cry?

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      3. “If this was true every one would be suffering from it? Nope no logic needed its ok”
        Not everyone suffers from the same bugs.

        “Again If true EVERY Instance would have issues, Thanks”
        That’s not how bugs work. Not EVERYONE who plays PCars gets the “exploding car” bug etc., but it’s obvious that it’s there.

        “Thanks for being a moron”
        Thanks for being a retarded shill with Stockholm Syndrome.

        “how is the product on display not work as functioned? can the player not drive the car? can they not enjoy a simulated motorsport?”
        So just because the car goes forward the game works 100%? By that logic it wouldn’t matter if in CS:GO there would be no hit detection anymore and grenades don’t work as well, but because you can still shoot your guns the game works 100% and you have no right to complain?

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      1. When he was asked to try something out again to “help” he refused and this site jumped on it as an attempt to discredit him, then we got “why should he help?” Well if he feels enough to make a video to highlight the issue, maybe giving a bit more info or trying a simple test shouldn’t be beyond reason?
        Of course, jump on me and call me a shill, hypocrisy is strong here anyway

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  7. Bought the game on sale recently, been enjoying it so far, but I have had similar experiences with the AI.

    Doing a GT3 race at spa with AI at 100%, a number of the cars seem to shit themselves in Eau Rouge and slam on the brakes mid-corner, sometimes even on the exit. No idea why, it’s not like they lost the back or anything. Rest of the lap they are fine, and other races I have done have had no issues, its pretty wierd.

    In general, The AI also seems to follow a fairly rigid racing line, with little to no attempt at moving to the inside to defend when I’m cruising up to the back of them. Also, if they are on your outside in a corner they do tend to just give up.

    The AI definiately needs an improvement, but more generally, I’m not really sure what games actually have decent/good AI. Most of the games I have played previously they are just moving road blocks (GT6 in particular, I haven’t played SCE enough to comment on it, although my impression are mostly positive). The driving experience itself is really enjoyable.

    But then, there is no real incentive to improve AI technology/coding as a whole in driving games. Sure, you could dump cash into improving the AI, but they would still pale in comparison to racing online against real people, so I can see why they invest this elsewhere.

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  8. well I like this website but this is not news, AC devs are well aware of the AI problems, Stefano said it him self he is still not satisfied with the AI and he is going to work on it more, unlike pcars where they dont even aknowlegde they have problems.

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      1. Because fucking fanboys cry, and whine whenever you point out something wrong with something they like.
        I don’t understand why they do it. I like ac, its a good game. I like kunos. Theyre good devs. There are some small issues with ac.

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    1. I agree, as long as they keep working to improve the game, the complaints are valid, but still bullshit in comparison to the other alternative. That is, if this game were to be released in a perfect state, it would probably take an eternity for it to be made available. It would probably take much longer than the early access model too because player feedback better helps to expose and prioritize issues. I think its safe to say that the majority of the community would rather play it now than wait forever for a version that is free from criticism. Why? Because its pros vastly outweigh its cons at the moment, and devs look to be sincere in regards to making it the best game it can possibly be.

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  9. Your comment is “I made my own video from about 20 minutes of attempting to run a Single Race in Assetto Corsa on a variety of different car/track combinations.”
    so the 4 situations you are reporting happened in about 20 minutes! really?

    I hope most reader of this blog will take the time to experience the racing you have shown in the video and make their own impression on how the AI in Assetto Corsa behave since 1.2.2 .

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  10. I don’t like rf2 getting bad reputation, but it does have some rabid fanboys. The game still sweeps the floor with its competition when it comes to being a well crafted simulator.

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    1. Interesting post.

      I appreciate the fact that you followed through on suggestions, even if it didn’t really change the general response.

      I would say that if someone is looking to get what they can out of the AI, then definitely avoid Spa for now. Also, as TheOligopolist said, start in last and give it a little time to spread out. That’s something I’ve found to be true in basically every racing game.

      Heads up, just got an e-mail about ‘Formula RaceRoom’, looks like you’ll have some additional fresh content to cover soon.

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  11. Dear Sir,
    I just discovered this blog and I LOVE IT. You have a new fan. I hope the fanboyz are gonna get hurt, as they clearly don’t understand we are customers first, and our money should be directed to those devs who care

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  12. The issue with Hex and his buddy Associator is they bombard every website and forum with their anti-AC and pro rF2 posts that any relevant info is lost in the other shite.

    From what I’ve had the misfortune of reading on the Steam forums is Associator uses a keyboard to play sims…

    Their hatred of everything apart from rF2 prompted ISI’s Tim Weatley to post a comment asking Hex and Associator to desist posting tripe on the rF2 forums.

    I understand everyone has their favourite sims(s) but these two are hellbent on proving rF2’s superiority as they see it.

    Tim Weatley was highly complementary of what Kunos have achieved in a short period of time stating how hard it is to make a sim from scratch.

    Is the AI perfect is AC? No it isn’t however I’m yet to read or hear anyone at Kunos claiming the AI is working as intended.

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    1. I don’t care what kind of reputation Hex and Ass have because it’s the same reputation I have. Only difference is, I paid the $117 for a Premium WordPress account and dropped links to PRC in the right places so the site circulated enough to gain a steady view count. Some leaked info here, a couple good essays there, and suddenly people figured out I’m not the crazy autist the iRacing forums made me out to be.

      As you can see, when I post something about iRacing or pCars that I know for a fact is true and can back it up with video (pCars) or pictures (iRacing), suddenly fanboys are foaming at the mouth to discredit me regardless. Same shit happens with Hex and Ass.

      I put myself in their shoes when the AC AI glitch videos popped up. There was no reason to discredit them based on their reputation alone, because what they’d uploaded was legitimate, and as you can see above, it was easily re-created. Those who feel it’s necessary to push anything they say under the rug because other people on Reddit jumped on them and it’s the cool thing to do are still stuck in High School. If you listened to what people said about me, you wouldn’t be on this site daily to read every new article.

      Does their rF2 shilling help? Nope, that one’s on them. To their credit, rF2 is almost as good as they make it out to be. One day they’ll figure out two guys running around on the forums spreading the gospel of rF2 won’t magically make people play it, just like a crowdfunding campaign for GSCX didn’t inflate the online numbers.

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      1. So what your saying is, you give them credence because you see yourself in them?, Don’t put yourself down bud, your better then that, from what i can tell you make posts to highlight, not just to anger and upset

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  13. ” some claiming Hexagramme had [i]hacked the game[/i] to intentionally smear Assetto Corsa.”

    You literally open an app and you can change AI settings during a race, it’s there so modders can fine tune 3rd party cars/tracks but it’d be just as easy for hexagramme to run it and make the AI a bit more accident prone.

    I don’t think he did, but from video alone there’s no way to tell that, or even which car is being driven by the player. It’s important to be skeptical especially when you know someone’s agenda.

    Hopefully the devs can find a good strategy to tweak the few places where AI struggles compared to humans (Eau Rouge definitely one, Schwedenkreuz another) If they stick to the current principle of ‘AI has no more grip or horsepower than humans’ then getting one to lap as fast as talented humans would be quite an accomplishment.

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