Have Fun or Get Out

eR2d26cWe here at PRC.net took great pleasure in laughing at the antics of Ian Bell and his staff at Slightly Mad Studios. The damage control carried out by the European developer after the embarrassing release of Project CARS was borderline childish, and the team as a whole quickly established a reputation among not just the sim racing community, but anyone who bought Project CARS, as a developer to avoid at all costs. The guys formerly behind the controls of the two Need for Speed Shift titles essentially wrote an entire instruction manual on how not to interact with their customers when things turn sour, and we gave each individual chapter of their bizarre post-release saga an audience. As Slightly Mad Studios became the laughing stock of the driving game scene over the summer of 2015, owners of Assetto Corsa took pride in the fact that Kunos Simulazioni continued to treat them with respect.

This was because Slightly Mad Studios continuously enforced unreasonable expectations upon the users of their official forums. Reporting a bug in any manner aside from 18th Century monarchy etiquette would result in vicious swarms of fanboys, moderators, or even Ian Bell himself descending upon the innocent user to degrade him. Users who questioned the abundance of bugs and shoddy online experience were told their complaints were invalid and a case of individual customer preferences, even as bug compilation videos circulated among the internet more than footage of actual gameplay.

The rivalry between Assetto Corsa owners and Project CARS apologists turned into a Ferrari versus Lamborghini rivalry, except in this instance, there was one clear cut winner. For a period of time, Kunos was doing a pretty kick-ass job at maintaining a positive relationship with the community.

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However, rumors started to trickle in that indicated there might be trouble in the Italian paradise. First, an innocent Reader Submission landed in our inbox from an Assetto Corsa owner, explaining he had been banned from the game’s Facebook page. A month and a half later, a thread over at RaceDepartment popped up claiming more and more users were continuously being banned from the Assetto Corsa forums. Their offense? Being critical of the game. While most owners were happy with the state of the game during the Early Access program, many users became disappointed in the lack of direction post-release, and questioned the obsessive modifications to tire model behavior when other portions of the game requiring attention were outright ignored.

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Over the past few months, the community surrounding Assetto Corsa is a bit restless, to say the least. Three massive updates, Version 1.2, Version 1.3, and now Version 1.4, failed to fix fundamental artificial intelligence issues that render Single Player races useless for all but a handful of sim racers under ideal conditions and hardware. Instead of figuring out a way to prevent the two existing Dream Pack DLC’s from segregating the online community, a third pack was promptly pushed upon the users featuring select GT3 rides that will undoubtedly require any serious online racer to drop the $10 to continue to play in populated online lobbies. Currently, Windows 10 support for Assetto Corsa is shoddy at best, with several users reporting the game outright doesn’t work on the brand new operating system, and Kunos themselves are unsure how to fix it.

Do the complaints end at those superficial aspects? Of course not. For a game billed as a hardcore PC racing simulator, camber settings have been broken for the better part of a year, and pit stops, an integral part of lengthy online races, boil down to awkwardly fumbling with your mouse once your car is stopped in the stall.

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Then there’s the stuff that hasn’t been a problem since racing games have been appearing on store shelves. If too many people are already driving the car you want to drive in an online session, you can’t drive it. If you’d at least like to pick the color of the car you’ve been forced into, you can’t do that either. A few short months ago, we leaked the details surrounding the impending next-generation console release of the title in early 2016. With the shovelware-centric 505 Games involved, one trusted sim racer with insider info confirmed that the next-generation console version is merely a cash grab for Assetto Corsa 2; the console release’s goal to simply establish the brand. Those who have broken into the new DLC’s encrypted files have discovered some cars physics’ are merely copied and pasted from existing cars, so this might explain the sudden onslaught of new DLC – the game is being quickly pumped full of content for the console release, and owners of the PC version are essentially helping to fund it via these packs.

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With the complaints piling up and an increase in the amount of users unsatisfied with the current state of the game, Kunos have taken a pretty firm stance on all of this backlash: Have fun, or get out.

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I’ve included the post in full so you can draw your own conclusions from it as you see fit, but there are a few things that stick out to me.

  • First, when the game is at the height of it’s popularity, why in the hell would you ever announce to your customers that you’re going to start removing people from the forums at an increased rate? I mean, already there are posts both here and on RaceDepartment describing the Kunos staff as being ban happy. Why in the world would you ever publicly confirm actions that a whole bunch of people were already scrutinizing you for, and then act like it’s somehow a good thing and beneficial to the community?
  • Second, why are you labeling your own customers as “toxic” and “trolls”, but providing no clear-cut examples of what constitutes this behavior? As we saw with Project CARS, it got to the point where virtually anybody who dared to criticize the game for its numerous issues was promptly removed from the official forum for “trolling.” Why, after being on the sidelines for the Project CARS disaster and seeing how many people it pissed off, would you ever implement the same environment in your own community?
  • Third, why do you believe some of your community members are intentionally rushing to discover issues in an effort to gain notoriety? With the three premium DLC packs, Assetto Corsa is starting to cost a substantial amount for some sim racers, and customers want to ensure Kunos can fix what’s broken in a timely manner. Why are conclusions immediately made that individuals reporting bugs are simply seeking attention?
  • Lastly, stating you want to protect your community members from those who are only out to satisfy a personal vendetta is just plain wrong on so many levels. Nobody has a personal vendetta against Assetto Corsa, that’s just fucking absurd. Some are simply wondering what the fuck they just bought given the multitude of issues and shortcomings after a massive hype train, and since you’ve clearly stated you wanted feedback, there’s your feedback you asked for. If you can’t take it and need to whine to everybody on the forums that it makes you feel bad and you’ve been working really hard, imagine the shit that gets thrown at PRC.net on a daily basis. Dig deep and and it’ll turn into a spectator sport fairly quickly.

And I don’t appear to be the only one who feels that way.

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164 thoughts on “Have Fun or Get Out

  1. Considering their camber issues, I don’t think it’s that crazy to keep working overtime in the physics and working on their tyre model…

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      1. When I said I don’t really feel the physics in Assetto Corsa to be of simulation value, I was comparing it to the way a racing driver and racing team and even vehicle manufacturers can use rFactor and rFactor 2’s physics to develop their cars and their drivers in a way that provides accurate data which they can rely on to use at races.

        To give you an example. All our race team clients and even our series clients, they don’t only use rFactor for track familiarization. They also use it to test setup data before they go to an event, they use it to test potential new part data, by developing new brakes or new engine performances and testing it in the game before they actually commit to building it in real life. rF1 and rF2 provide far higher accuracy for those things than any other simulation on the market. When it comes to AC, their game is marketed for a set audience which covers not only the Simulation side, but the Semi-Arcade side. When I drive rF1 or rF2, I’m always in a serious state of mind, I can’t just go out on the track and run a few laps. It is too simulation based and I treat it as such. I work on my setups, I push to find every tenth I can throughout a lap. I analyze too much. When I play AC, I can easily go in, pick a car and track, chill back and drive using my Xbox360 controller and not give a care. The physics seem very much like Forza Motorsport 5, a console game physics HOWEVER, Kunos has done a great job to mix the two styles of physics to provide more sense of simulation for the simulation fans, but cut down to the wire, rFactor 2’s physics engine is by far the most simulation based physics engine using real life aero and physical data that no other title has come close to.

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    1. Lol, ironically pitcock is a AC fanboy(who is\was the repeat offender), who was trying desperately to imitate Rf2 fandom,in some sick twisted vendetta against hex,associater adn ISI, what the fuck you guys drinking to produce such stupidity, the meme posting adhorent little children that defend AC like its their first girlfriend is tragic, and those cunts should be confined to Forza vs GT console “wars”, not PC sims.

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      1. Thank goodness hash. I was already having a bad impression of New Zealanders. But being Scottish explains it ALL. hehe. I don’t know if you watch Doctor Who, but the last doctor Peter Capaldi is also Scottish. Sometimes a difficult trait, sometimes cold, other times warm, swears, etc. I like him, but internet and competition shows more of people than usually, as is the case with you, hash. But you being Scottish, you won’t give a shit actually. And I find that brilliant!

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      2. Could be worse, could be one of those weird “continental” types, or god forbid, a yank.

        @pitcock\xx jnr.
        Outside of US pitcock, you will find people migrate around, especially between ozzy,NZ ,UK(motherland) and south africa, infact just my street has all those nationals, including all the colorful UK races (welsh,scots , irish and POMS), infact from all over world, only ppl you never see is yanks,except for the overweight fatties on tour busses, Asians can integrate better than yanks, thats how different(weird) yanks are from Ozzys/kiwis/saffas/jocks and POMS.

        This educational broadcast is brought to you by Hash, the scotty kiwi apparently sometimes aussie(sledging sheep shagging fucks).

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  2. James, can you provide screenshots of people who got banned for reporting bugs and issues? Or there isn’t any?
    Or better yet, can you provide a compilation of the posts and the history of the users who got banned in the ac forum? Or that won’t help your article?

    Btw, Fonsecker recognized why he was banned, why did you leave that out? I’ll do it for you

    >Lastly, stating you want to protect your community members from those who are only out to satisfy a personal vendetta is just plain wrong on so many levels. Nobody has a personal vendetta against Assetto Corsa, that’s just fucking absurd.

    Hmm.. hello? James, PRC (yes, lol), Associat0r, Hexagramme, is that enough?

    >Second, why are you labeling your own customers as “toxic” and “trolls”, but providing no clear-cut examples of what constitutes this behavior?

    Did you even read what Aris wrote in that post? I’ll quote it for you:
    – “people that are posting constantly in a negative way, spamming on various threads with the usual requests, attacking other users making snobbish or humiliating comments and such.”

    >why are you labeling your own customers as “toxic” and “trolls”

    Why do you imply they called us all that? So let’s have some logic here, if they banned several people for being toxic/trolls, we can’t classify those people as toxic/trolls? Especially when they were banned for such behavior.

    James, why when someone posts, for the sake of argument, that they label the game as arcade or of no simulation value, you take what they said as indisputable truth, but ignore what devs or other people said?
    Is because everyone who talks positively about AC is a shill and a fanboy?

    Another thing, so if some guy said that some cars from dp3 have very similar physics to a car already in the game, how do you explain that those cars in question behave differently and have a different character?

    Jamesy boy, why do you complain for half a year that AC online is unplayable because of netcode, but now that they fix it well in 1.4 you don’t even mention it but find something else to complain? I don’t know what’s worse, fanboys or haters. In a way, haters are also fanboys, and possibly vice versa.

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    1. Gotta differ with James on this one, too. Because I am lazy, I wil give you a TL;DR of my post on the RD forum here:

      AC forum chit chat section was worse than the PRC comment section after Associat0r, the shilling prince and hexaguy having a binge post session on meth. Since the great banning, it seems to have improved though. Kunos should have found a better way to deal with this, by stating clear rules in advance before unlocking the ban tool suddenly. I still have beef with how they handle DLC online.

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  3. James, when was the last time you tried the game, some months ago?

    Here’s a teaser for you:

    I know I know, you’ll give me a video in a sec of some problem in the game, but while some people only concentrate on problems they are at the same time depriving themselves from actually doing what they intended to do when they bought the game. RACING. 😉

    You complained about netcode and what not for so long, now that is fine, you’re actually not gonna race in the game?

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    1. Just to set the record straight, his name is Austin, not James or Emma. And this is the same kid that blasts AC for not giving you the ability to pick your skin online, then sets up a league where, you guessed it, you can’t pick your skin. Top Fucking Kek indeed.

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      1. When you race in a league in AC (booking server), the host can assign to you whatever skin you want, even custom ones. Yes you need to say it in the forum where all the info about that specific league is, but usually people keep the same car and livery for the whole championship.

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      2. If they set up the server to allow it then you can select your skin before you join. This has literally been how MP worked since the first release. They only added the option to use a fixed set of skins a few months in and server runners jumped on it cause it means you can join more quickly.

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  4. After PCARS PR fiasco these guys should know better than handling their community like nazi pricks. This behaviour is only possible thanks to fanboyism, when a PCARS mod post a stupid excuse replying to a problem report they don’t get lash, they get likes.

    These ass lickers make possible that serious issues are brushed aside instead of fixed.

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  5. Im pretty fucking shocked if they are copy pasting physics from other cars to new ones. I mean there is a good chance the 650s and MP4-12c share alot of the same chassis values but the AMG GT was built from the ground up new, nothing like the SLS AMG……….

    I am embarrassed I used to go so far out of my way to defend them.

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    1. Here is a snippet of a post by Aris from the official forums; you can use your ‘judgement’ as to whether it is he or some random forum user that is telling the truth.
      QUOTE “Regarding some other “copy&paste” reports. We copy paste where we have to copy paste. We don’t take shortcuts. In AC there are now, dreampacks and upgrade cars included, 93 cars. Each one of them has been created with as much love and accuracy as we can, data permitting. If on all of those cars you’ve found a couple of cases of “suspected copy&paste” maybe first you should ask if maybe that is the case in reality too, if we’ve been forced to wait from the manufacturer because “reasons” we cannot talk about (like homologation still in progress), or if finding some identical numbers on a 3D coordinate suspension system gives also the same suspension geometry, bump steer, kinematics, and behavior, or not. Hint, it does not. “

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      1. Here’s the first part of the post that was not quoted above:

        “Obviously when we start doing a new car we copy paste the folder from a similar one, so that the 3D artists can start working and looking at the car in game. At the same time I start working on the physics changing everything that needs to be changed or leaving things that need to be left identical. For licensing reasons I can’t say that some cars in reality are identical to others with tiny changes here and there to differentiate the “feeling”, so I won’t say it… you’re free to think what you like.

        On this particular car though, unfortunately I forgot to eliminate the active rear wing from the sister car. My bad. Fortunately the bug is not “critical” as the total downforce changes from around 12kg at 200kmh without the bug, to 20kg with the bug. The active aero itself goes into function after 120kmh.

        So thanks for the reporting and no we don’t think you are stupid, we are working really hard to offer you the best possible simulation of real cars. Sometimes we do errors, we are sorry about that.”

        In the thread about Gallardo SL aero balance.

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      2. Thais is standard procedure how physics are made in these simcade/ arcade games, old physics data is just copy pasted from old car to new one with only few minor tweaks.

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      3. How do you create a mod if not copying all the files from the template model and changing from there?
        James, so just because Aris forgot to change one minor part of the aero we now call it a shitty rf mod? I didn’t think your analytical thinking was that bad. Or maybe it isn’t, but your blindness-hatred for AC gives priority over logical thinking?
        Did you also ignore the part where people aren’t banned for pointing issues in the game? Or that doesn’t serve your cause? People are banned for other type of behavior, which doesn’t involve reporting game issues, but involves posts that deviate from objective report or criticism, and fall too much into personal arguing and obsession.

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      4. Still doesn’t explain why chassis values down to the hundredths of a mm were found on two different cars actually in the game and not in testing hands

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      5. Reading comprehension Chris, “if we’ve been forced to wait from the manufacturer because “reasons” we cannot talk about (like homologation still in progress)” means they can’t address those concerns. My guess is this means the AMG GT3 has some numbers that Mercedes and Kunos both know are wrong but whatever license they signed means they have to act like it’s real.

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  6. I spotted this on race department, it sums it up very nicely,and mirros my thoughts almost exactly, though little more diplomatically………….

    AC has everything they advertise and it all works. But, that also suits my point. It’s easy and accessable. Tire wear doesnt have much influence. Tire heat neither. Compared to old patches, real life cars and other sims, never overheats tires. In fact it’s an issue on most cars front tires are stone cold. But hey, there’s graining and blistering and it all works. But on which level.

    Marco is a superstar in sim-community. Never has a game’s promoter been this famous before. Half of the success and riches AC has accomplished is thanks to him and clever promoting. It’s all very nicely wrapped.

    You really do need to find time and spend it in the other simulations. If you really want this and care about next level realism. Try to read some books about driving and car engineering. To have some base at least if you don’t have access to real life cars or race cars and race tracks. Books are great source from wise people who went thru the thick of it in real life. Speed secrets series and Carroll Smiths “to Win” books are absolute classics. Then you can recognize things as you test several simulations. Also, you need to have methods to your tests. Just like Marco has to his promotion. You need areas that are important and each area might take several days of testing (read months if you really want to get past half of it in some of the simulations) to get deep enough to see what is there.

    And then you can finally put all that in one giant puzzle for yourself and see where AC scales for you on your personal rank of level of realism. But, it requires so much time 99.9% who never give any critic to AC don’t even consider doing such test and comparisons. And when there are guys like Empty Box who get paid to make such reviews state their opinions I believe they’re not even 1/3rd of the way where they could be.

    Also consider quote from Senna : “On a given day, a given circumstance, you think you have a limit. And you then go for this limit and you touch this limit, and you think, ‘Okay, this is the limit’. And so you touch this limit, something happens and you suddenly can go little bit further. With your mind power, your determination, your instinct, and the experience as well, you can fly very high.”
    Those are the words from real life champion who found a way to go deeper every time he gets there. And much to confirm this so do things work in Live for Speed where you can pretty much improve your laptimes indefinetly, eventually hunderdth by hunderdth. Much the same is in rFactor 2 as well. But in AC with many different setups you end up with same laptime and you end up always few hunderths of that laptime. This suggests to me obvious lack of depth. That was also there in old patches too, but back then you could at least go three times deeper then you can now.

    But, really you’ll never believe me until you experience it. And trust me if you start exploring things in a method i request you to, then you will be on a path of becoming better driver. For me I always want to be better driver and sorry but AC is not helping me do that. I really hope you accept anything from my post useful for yourself. Writing me a reply to make an argument won’t help you become better driver my friend. You want to consider that. We all think we’re great drivers. No matter of our pace or past results. Or else why would we be spending so much time here. But rarely do drivers who race me on track for victories ever spend their time to write on forum in discussions. So I try to give little help and guidance you know without coming accross blunt. We have to put our egos aside if we’re to see the truth and the truth will set you free no matter who spoke the truth.

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    1. You can’t drive. At all.

      You of all people lecturing drivers 5+ seconds faster than you using Senna quotes while posturing as some kind of ego-less messiah is the funniest thing I’ve ever seen in simracing.

      “But in AC with many different setups you end up with same laptime and you end up always few hunderths of that laptime”

      Thanks for finally outing yourself as a clueless illiterate fuckwit.

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      1. Lol, the post he was quoting came from Niki Dakovic. Think of him what you might, but he CAN drive.
        Still weird to full-quote that post as a mediocre driver. Kinda like if I would be quoting Montoya on how to win the Indy 500 as if I’d done it.

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      2. Oh god damn.

        I’ve been arguing with someone who drives like this? “can’t keep heat in the tyres” HAHAHA.

        Learn how to fucking drive hash. lines are bad, braking is bad, throttle application is bad. How the fuck would you know anything about setups and relative performance differences when you can’t drive in the first place?

        No fucking wonder hash loves rf2 so much. The loose sidewalls make it very easy to catch once you get used to the limits, it seems very forgiving to usually dangerous situations with track geometry.

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      3. Learn how to fucking drive hash. lines are bad, braking is bad, throttle application is bad. How the fuck would you know anything about setups and relative performance differences when you can’t drive in the first place?

        Got a example of you ya little cunt? better yet hop on and show me ya little twat.

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      4. 5+ secs, who is,you? a fucking gutless anon? and you taken a example from a quick practice on start off weekend?but like any of that matters, little cunt, I see someone else corrected you that it wasn’t my quote.

        @Queequeg
        Your analogy is fucking stupid, his post summed AC up nicely, I didn’t even know he was a known good driver,hes writing about AC as a sim,and playing it, do I not play these games if I’m a “mediocre” driver?

        Little assassin wannabe dipshits, coming out today, full blown attack, because I quoted a very good write up?.

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      5. You dont even own rf2, e123 ya dipshit? wtf how the fuck can you comment at all playing nothing but AC? get demo and race me, Id love to learn from pro, can show me all ya techniques, and in return you get to race a real sim.

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      6. Oh fuck off, hung over on saturday, finding a load of fuck heads insulting me for no apprant reason,and me replying is a meltdown?,

        gis a break ya gutless anon, Ive pissed off AC community apprantly,and now they randomly attack me, arseholes,all over a fucking medicore sim?

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    2. Well, since I’m no longer limited to ~ 120 kbps upload, uploading videos isn’t as big of a deal. So yeah, I suppose I can do that if you really want.

      If you just post the AC lap telemetry I can show you what’s going on. I’m not trying to be an ‘assassin’, I just think you need to think about what you’re doing more than what the game is doing. You look ‘uncomfortable’ and seem to be using values (this corner at 90 kph, brake at 100 meter marker, etc) to determine the fastest way around the track.

      To be completely honest, it sort of looks like AI driving. It’s pretty smooth and consistent but you’re just losing speed unnecessarily. For example, there are some spots where you haven’t been accelerating for at least a second for no apparent reason. I can only suppose lack of confidence in 1) the car or 2) the simulator.

      Just post the telemetry and Ii’ll be able to highlight it. I think you can be 2-3 seconds faster with relatively little effort.

      And yeah, I have had rf2 since it was released to beta. Lots to like, lots to dislike. Let’s keep some perspective here and drop the American car/isi fanboy bullshit down a notch, eh?

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      1. Well that reply was far more polite, less cunty and generally lot more observational.

        “”To be completely honest, it sort of looks like AI driving. It’s pretty smooth and consistent but you’re just losing speed unnecessarily. For example, there are some spots where you haven’t been accelerating for at least a second for no apparent reason. I can only suppose lack of confidence in 1) the car or 2) the simulator.”””

        Well I was “chasing” following AI, and spend much time racing them,this is set between 98-100 AI, so not exactly slow either, on a track where every corner wants to throw you into grass, as this was a practice session (not much rubber, setup not fully done),I wasn’t pushing Hard.

        The not accelerating(good observation) , was me just coasting the car, I simply wanted couple of laps to break in,brake temp,Tyre temps (that by the way you can see have no issue keeping heat in) ive just come outta pits look,you can see similar behaviour (waking\warming up up car and driver) on first laps on my Grp 5 Sebring vid, the lap the AI (Merc) pitted was when I was really ready to go.

        I hit record (save last 10mins,Shadowplay) wasn’t even expecting it to be a vid, this was me “Fucking around” basically on a updated track I hadn’t done for while,Id should also mention APEX GT3’s are the most “lively” GT3’s available on any sim at moment IMO, they certainly dont drive em selfs.

        I have the tele for this exact run, and the 1.3 AC runs doing testing could upload both,(some stark differences) but really if going do that Ill do a proper drive, practice a little etc, wouldn’t be AC either, as although can still enjoy short blasts I cant really spend much serious time with it,however be happy to jump on MP with ya any time, on either, and save tele from that, you could save yours too, could be very educational experience.

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  7. I’m hoping this is a good place for my “personally banned by Ian Bell” story
    Because it was a lot of fun to humiliate the guy enough for a ban.

    Ian comes into the forum some morning when they we’re in Nazi Gestapo mode and says.
    “Give me the patience to deal with all these whiners today” or something to that effect.

    I said “I’ll gladly trade you any patience you might need for the money in your pocket or one of your luxury sleds”.

    Insta ban. Just for being too clever. Not even a true insult.
    I had previously called him out as a “nerd king” who should probably just ban me now, cause he knew he was going to ban a bunch of us for nothing other than pointing to areas of the game that were broken. no matter how careful I was in how I worded it.

    Just something to draw attention to how stupid it sounds for a grown ass wealthy executive to be crying for patience, when it’s actually just a lot of well founded criticism.
    It was fun though

    On another note. If you want your bans lifted when it comes Pcars. Just go shit post on another forum like gtplanet where they have no control and they will let you back in.

    I think the way these developers track your IP, then block and unblock you would be a great subject for an article.

    And maybe a few words on how a sim racing forum is nothing like a restaurant. Both Pcars and kunos like to play that, “act like your in a restaurant card”, but it’s bunk.
    A restaurant cares about if there customers buy from them again and will refund your meal in a heartbeat. Despite the fact you actually ate it already.

    These clowns, kunos and Bell, will use any excuse to shovel a piece of crap software down the masses throat and collect a huge check.

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    1. I think lurking behind Bell’s abrasive dickhead personality is a lot of insecurity and self doubt. Dude is weak. And you know what? He should be insecure because his game sucks shit!

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  8. Ian Bell and Stefano are both cut from the same cloth. It took a while for that to become apparent but no one can deny it now. I’m disappointed in the shift of attitude and behavior I’ve seen in Kunos over the past year or so, having been an early adopter of the game. Bell has been exposed for what he is and Kunos will get their comeuppance when this game hits consoles and is ripped to shreds by reviewers and players. Yes there are a lot of jerks on the forums who don’t offer particularly constructive criticism, but there are plenty of people who do approach things diplomatically.

    You can’t release an incomplete product and expect people to just lay down and accept it. I get that AC is is intended to be a slim game, but there are essential things missing, period. The racing sucks. A lot of the cars feel weird. The AI is awful, the interface still feels like a beta. Hell the whole experience still feels much the same as it did the first time I launched it in 2013. It’s ostensibly a racing simulator and yet most people only find it useful for hotlapping. There is a lot of ground they need to make up. I don’t know why that’s so hard to understand for some people, including the developers.

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  9. Well written and fairly persuasive, but utterly redundant.

    I’m pretty sure your readers have understood for months that, in addition to producing flawed software, Kunos, SMS and iRacing are also antagonizing the sim racing community with their ill-conceived attempts to silence dissenting views.

    Personally, I think you guys should run a PRC car in the Le Mons series (if it’s still running) or something similar, and write about your experiences.

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  10. I got actually myself banned from their forums a long time ago when I said few times that their game is downright broken and it has zero simulation value.

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  11. People are now starting to realise what I been telling them for the past two years since the very first early access build; Assetto Corsa has absolutely zero simulation value.

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  12. I’ve been banned too for the following comment:
    ‘AC a the moment is a virtual penis enlargement for pretend drifters.
    It may sell a lot but I’s not really working’

    😀

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  13. This is a fantastic move. The forum was practically unmoderated before. As Aris mentioned only 30 people had been banned. William Levesque being the first to be banned under the new rules is a perfect example of the assholes who will no longer be tolerated. 1,429 comments, with nil contribution to any kind of constructive discussion. Good riddance.

    It’s obvious you’ve spent zero time on the AC forums, James. There are dozens upon dozens of users with thousands of posts each that are all completely banal, disparaging, unconstructive, and ignorant. It’s a forum with 600,000 posts, and the great discussions are buried beneath dozens of prolific shitheads. The ISI forums, the iRacing forums, and the pCARS forums have always had and will always have much more draconian moderation than the AC forums yesterday or today.

    You haven’t provided a single example of anyone being banned for simply being critical of the game in a respectful manner despite claiming so for months. Every single example that I’ve seen so far has been fully deserved. A few assholes running off to RaceDepartment to cry and like each other’s posts is not proof of anything. You are crafting a completely false narrative of censorship while also ignoring the massive strides in netcode that were made with the 1.4 update. After how many AC 1.4 hitpieces will you actually PLAY THE GAME? “0.2 hrs last two weeks” and two articles. Journalism.

    “Nobody has a personal vendetta against Assetto Corsa, that’s just fucking absurd.”

    I can’t stop laughing. Hexagramme literally has 30 reddit accounts created purely to smear AC. Associator has 650+ posts on Steam forums smearing AC. Nothing of what they have ever said about AC is knowledgeable or sincere.

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  14. CENSORSHIP AND TYRANNY DO NOT BUY GAME

    Turns out developers who are passionate about their work aren’t the best at explaining moderation changes, at least compared to dedicated community managers. The Assetto Corsa forums might become bearable now.

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  15. I don’t know what’s the point in tagging us when we can’t even access the posts, lol… They could at least tell us what post(s) they refer too, but they’re probably not bad enough to warrant a ban.

    They keep on talking about “negativity”, well, fucking give us a reason to be positive then. Between the copy-paste physics and the disregard for any serious racing features, on top of glaring physics issues that have been there for several months, there isn’t a lot to be positive about. I did say that the Lotus 25 was nice tho, I guess that’s something ?

    As for not “contributing”, nevermind that I beta-tested the Miata mod, currently beta-testing the Koenigsegg One:1 mod, helping out members with certain driving/hardware related issues… Pointing out flaws here and there, etc… But I guess that doesn’t matter when your stance doesn’t align with AC’s new found philosophy.

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    1. Oh, nevermind that I only had two warnings, the first almost a year ago, and the latest one about laughing at someone’s joke. Yeah, so bad, so so bad.

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      1. It’s still a sim, it would be stupid to think otherwise. But it’s not going in a direction I like… Tho the casuals and mediocre drivers probably like that.

        I actually quite liked the early builds, up to 1.0 or so, even tho it was still far from perfect of course. Then they started messing with the tyre model way too much, and dumping half arsed content on us. The console announcement most likely had something to do with that… I wasn’t even against it, since it’s a good way to get revenue and further improve the game, but it seems like it backfired.

        It’s a good thing they have a bunch of street cars, otherwise I’d probably not spend money on it… Altho now it’s less and less enticing.

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  16. They fix fundamental physics issues, game gets easier, and more like a real sim… it’s only hard to understand if you’re stuck in the “hard = real” mindset which is dumb. Real cars are designed to be easy to drive, that’s how come stupid apes can do it at all.

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    1. Cars are easy to drive if you go slow. The problem with AC is that you can drive like an utter moron, overdriving everywhere and drifting around Schwedenkreuz at 200kph + without breaking a sweat. Over the limit is completely wrong, which allows people to think that they’re Senna’s long lost cousin. Good for the console crowd.

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      1. You can drive any way you want and feel like Senna. Can you beat the AI while overdriving & drifting? Can you set a world record time? In arcade games, yes. In AC, no. At least, I haven’t yet seen any ‘cheater’ world records like you get in most arcade games, where the driver cuts every corner, uses every drift-turbo, and wallrides their way to glory. The most you get is 100% track grip, semislicks, which is of course unrealistic but entirely optional.

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      2. And you do not NOT put in competitive laps that way.

        Even Jeremy Clarkson knows this basic fact. Yes, you can usually pretty easily over-drive the hell out of the vast majority of cars with the ‘right’ (easy setups are ‘right’ in many people’s minds) setup.

        This has really be the main point behind the tyre model updates, penalizing over-driving with better tyre heat modeling…And it has had a clearly positive impact on how you have to drive to actually be competitive.

        I really don’t understand how so many of you can be this confused about things and claim that 1.0 was ‘better’. I can only assume that at least half of you don’t actually know what the fuck you’re doing.

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      3. I don’t care about laptimes in this case. The simple fact that it’s nearly impossible to lose the car even driving like a moron is daft. You can get away with such stupid driving and save the car it’s not even funny anymore.

        And I know what I’m doing behind the wheel, both in sims and IRL, which is why I’m vocal about it.

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      4. But we know it isn’t… Many morons drive like idiots every day in fast cars and survive. Also, unless you’re making misinformed assumptions about setups, you can easily create a twitchy yet very fast setup for many of the cars. Some cars (lower-power road cars, for example) are pretty easy to drive, period. Changing the camber on a car like that isn’t necessarily going to have a HUGE effect on performance (unless you have unrealistic ranges), but lateral and longitudinal grip is obviously effected by camber, as are temps and contact patches.

        Observe the real world to make conclusions, not other ‘simulators’.

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  17. Aero simulation is fundamentally flawed which results in very unnatural behavior in Assetto Corsa. Again rFactor 2 is vastly superior in this area.

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  18. Excellent article IMO. I’ll bet Little Lord Kunos is going through this post and those poor folks that posted about it at Race Department are now going to be banned as well. I simply cannot wait for the influx of console kiddies to their forums when AC launches on consoles. They’ll need to hire a few more moderators to control the teen angst when little Bobbie and Little Freddie realize they spent their funds from a job wrangling carts at the grocery store on a half finished half assed game that doesn’t do anything better than Forza, F1 2015,Project Cars, or Gran Turismo. Orville Redenbacher can’t make enough popcorn for that moment.

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  19. Just to be clear.
    I always praised the devs (also in private conversations with Aris) when prise was due and I strongly helped the community with my knowledge for developing a lot of mods (cobra, dallara, 917…) .

    Probably I’m a smartass as Aris wrote and I really hate idiots, so my posts may be perceived as a bit more than ironic, but I also liked this game so much that I’m sad about the direction taken by the developers.

    If they just leaved the possibility to control all the physics parameters from modded files we could modify the cars to our liking and no one would complain, but some important things are hardcoded and it’s impossible to adjust them.

    P.S.
    I received only one warning in two years and in that case I deeply apologized about the terms used (not offensive in any case).

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  20. It must be because of all the trolls have been banned from those forums and come all together here, that this blog is turned into a troll fest while those forums are now a calm place where you can discuss seriously, without a bunch of crying kids.

    I’m full for the zero tolerance attitude of the mods there, you can spot a kid or a troll from miles, all those ones “…but I was banned only because…” …man you have been banned coz you’re a ****.
    It’s pretty like those ****heads in real life, they are against the police, they are against the rules, they are against everything, then they are beaten in the arse (or worse, shot in the head) and the jokes are finished… only the luckiest ones have the privilege of understand their own stupidity.

    You like trolls? Stay here… and troll. Good luck… in the meantime iRacing, PCARS and AC are the most played sims out there, with or without trolls, while your beloved 80’s games are forgotten, you know what, we are both (parties) happy. 😉

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    1. It makes sense. iRacing has the multiplayer edge, PCARS and AC are watered down so any muppet can drive them. So they get the muppets.

      Rfactor is more demanding (which scares shit drivers) and is lagging behind iRacing in multiplayer. It’s normal it’s not popular. Still the best of the bunch though.

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      1. its not popular because theres no cars in it, seriously there are next to none. the car selection is pathetic. Its great that they are doing tracks etc but they need a series to call their own and nascar doesnt count because outside of america its not loved, That multiplayer price is stupid, id prefer if they just made dlc instead. ISI are extremely bad at marketing and they fail to realise what parts of gaming has stigmas behind them, people fucking hate online passes, divert that came money in dlc and its more accepted, simple shit which they fail to understand.

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  21. Looking forward to the article on rF2 forums where lots of people get banned too. The main difference is its the hardcore fanboys who get banned (rather than the haters) because they are complete nutjobs.

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    1. You are entitled to your opinion and your tastes. But do you need to shit over other people’s opinions and tastes? There is a good portion of players who like AC and the DLC. Online numbers speak for it.
      You get more populated servers mid-week during morning-afternoon in AC multiplayer, than people playing other sims during their prime hours of the week (not including iracing and pcars). Though idk how good pcars multiplayer numbers are, maybe people there, are more in-game according to steam, but using the offline game.

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  22. Sadly the infamously terrible AI of Assetto Corsa is still completely broken and seems unlikely that it will ever get fixed because of incompetent devs.

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  23. The issue both games have isn’t really ai its the off the shelf middleware physics engines they are using. Instead of custom building a physics engine for a driving sim they took normal game physics engines and basically used a bunch of math and faking it to turn them into driving sims.

    Cars leaping into the air is caused by 2 solid objecta clipping into each other and the engine unsticking them which takes great force. These issues are prevalent in Havok and physx.

    Funny thing is games that use custom engines get railed on for not being sims, games like forza and gran turismo. Problem is they are both closer to simulating vehicle physics than these PC games are the real difference is player attitude and racing rules in the games (flags, qualifying etc)

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      1. Yet you bought the game and all dlcs so far. Are you secretly in love with AC but you just want to keep a different image on the outside?

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      2. He’s promoting AC by lying so blatantly about what AC’s missing that people assume all the rf2 shills are equally wrong. It’s some of that viral marketing shit.

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  24. When I said I don’t really feel the physics in Assetto Corsa to be of simulation value, I was comparing it to the way a racing driver and racing team and even vehicle manufacturers can use rFactor and rFactor 2’s physics to develop their cars and their drivers in a way that provides accurate data which they can rely on to use at races.

    To give you an example. All our race team clients and even our series clients, they don’t only use rFactor for track familiarization. They also use it to test setup data before they go to an event, they use it to test potential new part data, by developing new brakes or new engine performances and testing it in the game before they actually commit to building it in real life. rF1 and rF2 provide far higher accuracy for those things than any other simulation on the market. When it comes to AC, their game is marketed for a set audience which covers not only the Simulation side, but the Semi-Arcade side. When I drive rF1 or rF2, I’m always in a serious state of mind, I can’t just go out on the track and run a few laps. It is too simulation based and I treat it as such. I work on my setups, I push to find every tenth I can throughout a lap. I analyze too much. When I play AC, I can easily go in, pick a car and track, chill back and drive using my Xbox360 controller and not give a care. The physics seem very much like Forza Motorsport 5, a console game physics HOWEVER, Kunos has done a great job to mix the two styles of physics to provide more sense of simulation for the simulation fans, but cut down to the wire, rFactor 2’s physics engine is by far the most simulation based physics engine using real life aero and physical data that no other title has come close to.

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  25. Don’t see the problem. The reason why I don’t bother with most sim racing forums these days is because of the morons who inhabit them.

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      1. What humor? He´s been rekt and can´t reply anything serious, so he just types random shit, and will still get 25 likes from ass lickers.

        If you bother reading, the guy above told him “your fucking game lacks a solid direction” with a polite tone (he needs to do a courtesy sandwich to avoid the ban for “being negative”).

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      2. Truly not a humorous or witty reply on Ian’ part. He’s just a douche who has just had a ton of truth unloaded on him he and has no way to reply so he does what an 8 year old would do by basically sticking his fingers in his ears and saying, “nananananananana, I can’t hear you, nananana”.

        He is a douche of epic proportions.

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      3. That nerd posted a bunch of no-sense postulate .. and Ian Bell replied with “Too long”.. that’s a head shot for a nerd, you can’t deny it. 🙂
        I’m still laughing…

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  26. “the next-generation console version is merely a cash grab for Assetto Corsa 2”

    That sandwich I bought today was merely a cash grab so that they could continue to make sandwiches.

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