Did Kunos Just Take Some Guy’s Mod? Update: No, they did not!

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Arriving at the eleventh hour in my personal email inbox, was a little piece of news that is sure to cause a bit of controversy. Amateur Assetto Corsa modder Gui C. has been slowly applying cosmetic and user interface tweaks the historic Sauber C9 prototype found in the game’s first premium Dream Pack DLC, adding an extra layer of authenticity in areas Kunos Simulazioni seem to have missed due to time constraints. Gui’s small adjustments to the car can be found over at RaceDepartment, though an extra portion of the description added yesterday with the third revision of the mod blatantly notes suspicious activity on the part of Kunos.

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Gui notes that a recent Assetto Corsa hotfix – Version 1.5.5 to be exact – has included his own files within the new build, down to the exact time of creation for the files. Gui is obviously a bit ticked off, as suggested by the bold portion of text and obvious sarcastic remarks.

Update: Gui C. has now fully retracted his statement in a post which can originally be seen in the comments section below.

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Sometimes, we get it wrong – extremely wrong. This is one of those times. Our most sincere apologies to the guys at Kunos Simulazioni for the original version of this story, which unfairly cast them in a negative light.

And lastly, Gui has rectified the misunderstanding over at the modification’s home on RaceDepartment:

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61 thoughts on “Did Kunos Just Take Some Guy’s Mod? Update: No, they did not!

  1. Austin sorry but you shit the bed here, we have the license to use the software but it is still the developer’s property, now this does mean that kunos owns it all, all our mods, all our skins, its part of their software.

    This means they are can use whatever they want, granted its not very nice to take and not ask but they havent broken their own rules. Of course they cant just be like fuck you, its all ours and pile 10,000 skins into vanilla AC for licensing issues.

    Ultimately the kunos can do what they want here without legal issues. This is not me defending kunos, its me putting you in your place as you don’t understand software laws at all.

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    1. Are you out of your mind? So if like, some modder does a copyright livery kunos can just take it? So some guy creates an addon for skype, microsoft just goes and steals it and calls it your own? It would be nice to see now developers roaming the internet, taking cars and liveries created by moders, buy the license and put them in game without paying anything. Then all other developers must be dumb for paying people to actually create content….

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    2. Not to mention that if i was a moder that got content stolen like that, so that others could profit from it, i wouldn’t be doing modding for that game anymore. You are basically saying kunos is totally right by behaving like some russian or brazilian ripper, selling other people’s mods.

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      1. Guess i have to spell it out for you, when you buy a game on steam, YOU GET THE RIGHTS TO USE IT, ITS NOT YOURS, YOU DONT OWN IT. Steam doesnt like you, they can take that shit away from you, you cant do anything about it because you dont own it.

        Mods in all forms which effect a game on steam fall under property of the developer unless there is a contract that stats underwise.

        Many things hold this in line, the main aspect is public image, this can make or break a game, if Kunos go all out Nazi mode and start gasing out the mods everywhere then we cant do anything about that, yes we can port our mods to rF2 or whatever but any software linked to them is theirs.

        I do not condone it but if Kunos or ISI or Sector3 wish to piss off the world then they can do so. The law is on their side on this case.

        Example, remember when steam started paid mods, well there was a bundle mod in which a few swords were made by a person that wasnt getting paid, when this became public the money was taken away and given to steam and bethesda(of course it was all refunded because the services was shit anyways).

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      2. So then why does Kunos need to pay teams like Virtua Simulazioni to help develop mods for AC? Shouldn’t they be able to just take them off RD, acquire the licensing rights to the cars, and place them into an upcoming Dream Pack DLC?

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      3. Which cars Virtua Simulazioni created for AC to include officially in the game? All I know is Kunos hires artists to help create the 3d models, be them from any team or individual. And then Kunos creates the sounds and physics.

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    3. This isn’t how it works at all. When you purchase a the license to use the game (“buying the game”). The developer does still own all content within that software… but anything created by someone else does NOT belong to the developer. It belongs to the creator. If it’s not in the game originally, Kunos doesn’t own it.
      Content creators still own anything they create due to copyright no matter what it’s used in, the only issue would be IP holders of sponsors and brands. (Like FOM taking down F1 mods).
      If what you’re saying is really the case then Kunos doesn’t own it either, Autodesk does for licensing out 3DS Max to create car and track assets, or Adobe for licensing Photoshop to create the GUI and textures. Hell let’s go even further back and say Microsoft owns everything because I guarantee they were using Windows PCs.

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  2. Are you out of your mind? So if like, some modder does a copyright livery kunos can just take it? So some guy creates an addon for skype, microsoft just goes and steals it and calls it your own? It would be nice to see now developers roaming the internet, taking cars and liveries created by moders, buy the license and put them in game without paying anything. Then all other developers must be dumb for paying people to actually create content….

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    1. Well first, Gui is looking at Date Created. You’re looking at Date Modified.

      Second, the initial version of this mod was published in October of 2015. So it’s been around for more than a few days.

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      1. All my files for this car say 1st april 2016, for created date.

        If you are now talking about something from october 2015, why in the article you mention this?

        “Cramer notes that a recent Assetto Corsa hotfix – Version 1.5.5 to be exact – has included his own files within the new build, down to the exact time of creation for the files.”

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  3. So the devs use mods, big whoop. Silly mistake, I expect it to be remedied by the weekend – probably an apology and show of good will as well – don’t expect it to be covered by PRC lol.

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  4. Where’s the screenshot of the creation date? Scraping the bottom of the barrel again. Stolen text data! Nearly 40 characters.

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    1. Show some proof. Should I also say ISI, Reiza, SMS, Iracing, are thieves and everyone defending them is a white knight? What’s the point in blindly accusing someone of something without backing it up. Just because you show confidence in your statement, doesn’t make it true.

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  5. Hypocritical Kunos…

    Your racing simulator doesn’t simulate a lot of racing elements that have been simulated since the 90s…

    And

    You can’t make edits to our content and share them on our forums as mods that’s illegal, but if you put them out there on other sites and they prove popular, we’ll just steal them and put them in as our own work without telling you…

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    1. “So fortunately it was a mistake. I can only presume after the update, if you HAD the stuff before, SOME of it migrated to the new folder. It took someone else without ever having had the file, to help out”
      \From the Mod creator… I guess your calls of hypocrit are rather…. DUMB AS FUCK now really?

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  6. I found my way here (and couldn’t help but also read another article). Hey, someone else was able to check and to quote:

    “Nope all C9 skins ui_skin.json have only number and priority. with all havign 8.7.2015 creation date here.”

    So fortunately it was a mistake. I can only presume after the update, if you HAD the stuff before, SOME of it migrated to the new folder. It took someone else without ever having had the file, to help out. Let’s not murder the folks posting though, and let’s not spam about please.

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  7. Why not try a checksum or something? That way he can definitely point to evidence they used his files, as that would only look at file contents, and if they differ at all then the outcomes will be different-but if the devs really did use his files, even if they rename them or mess with the created date, if the data is the same the checksum will be the same and he can point to the matches and go “they took my files (and tried to hide it, if applicable).

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    1. None of that is applicable as nothing was done, plus I have never dealt with such things as Checksum. Like I wrote above, the AC update moved only certain files and not others. Those who checked, for me, turned out also had had the download previously so obviously the result was the same. That is why I was – mistakenly – frustrated when posting originally.

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  8. So the real info here is that the “mod” was a text file and that nothing was “taken” after all. But of course the article will stay in place to attract clicks and the vast majority of readers won’t even bother check the facts from the Gui himself.

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  9. Seems farfetched that Kunos would just add a modder’s work to AC w/o asking them first. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, but I’d investigate a little before posting.

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  10. “None of that is applicable as nothing was done, plus I have never dealt with such things as Checksum. Like I wrote above, the AC update moved only certain files and not others. Those who checked, for me, turned out also had had the download previously so obviously the result was the same. That is why I was – mistakenly – frustrated when posting originally.

    So… article redacted? how about an apology for false journalism? maybe even just admitting your way fkin wrong on this one? at least a comment on how you jumped the gun as the first bit of shit you thought you found on AC you posted with no research?

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  11. I see we’re back on full steam with the Kunos hitpieces! In the month of April alone:

    >AC update is released that fixes all major physics issues that people had with previous updates and significantly improves AI
    >update also graphically updates every track, something James specifically complained about in “Please Play The Games You Review”
    >James writes an article on the update without ever playing the game, reporting “little to no genuine improvements”
    >DOOM AND GLOOM, THE AI IS WORSE NOW, LOOK AT BUG REPORTS AND GAMERMUSCLE, WEEEEE TOOOOLD YOOOOOU SOOOOO
    >Stefano holds a user poll to gauge consumer interest in features! Engaging in the communi- WHAT AN ASSHOLE REMEMBER HOW THESE FEATURES AREN’T IN THE GAME READ THIS ARTICLE FOR THE 27TH TIME WHY ARE YOU STILL HAVING FUN STOP THAT
    >James somehow happens upon a modder angry about his 40 characters of work being stolen by Kunos
    >Shits out an article in 14 minutes while continuing to ignore the actual modding community that is booming
    >And it turns out Kunos did literally nothing! The modder was mistaken! Will James redact a Kunos hitpiece for the second time? Tune in to find out!

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      1. Maybe he’s thinking how would you write articles about AC if people didn’t write first their opinions on the forums about the game and updates. I’ve never seen PRC, or that I remember at least, do articles about AC by coming up with findings on their own, or by reviewing the gameplay on their own. Always resorting to what someone says. Of course then you get unlimited content, but in the end is always the same. What you do is to take anything someone says about a fault in the game, and you exploit it in the articles. Then when they get fixed, is like nothing happened. When you started this I thought it was to make sim racing better, by finding faults in games, suggesting improvements, but all I saw was creating drama from the faults of a game or people behind the game, or people in the community. The saddest thing is that you are happy and rejoice when something isn’t perfect in a sim racing game or the way you wanted. Then when it gets fixed or improved, or something new is done or gets added to the game, is like you forget and you see only faults. How are you helping sims and the devs by always cutting down their motivation? If there’s only pointing fingers and no claps.

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  12. When will we see a redaction and apology update on the front page?

    Would hope you can atleast admit when your wrong, especially in this case where again you’ve set out to bring harm to Kunos and
    Assetto Corsa reputation.

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  13. Once again artircle authors show complete lack of proper analytical skills to perform journalism. Combine this with “tin hat on” you get ridiculous anf false conspiracy theories.

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  14. Update has been made, but you also removed the 2nd part of the original text (bashing Kunos for not obeying their own rules (with “ripped content rule” screenshot).

    Well, disappointing.

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  15. The internet is not a toy.

    It seems anyone can write anything, anywhere on the internet, and you’ll just fall for it and bleet about it here.

    Oh, of course, you won’t just pick up on and bleet about anything. It has to be something negative so you can get outraged about it on your pseudo Daily Mail for sim eacers whinge pit.

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  16. Preso da tempo, quando era da poco approdato su steam.. e non ho potuto fare scelta migliore!

    Davvero uno (se non “il” migliore gioco di corse attualmente in circolazione!
    Inoltre grazie al supporto continuo del team Kunos e alle MOD, questo simulatore è solo all’inizio del suo glorioso percorso…

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  17. Is it possible for this entry to be deleted? I made a mistake with the info I could gather, tried fixing it and apologized. But someone read a bit too much and seemingly rushed to get news built around it.

    Even if I was to have stuff used, I am very relaxed about things. I usually make a mention that people are free to use (non-commercially of course) if they can just drop me a line. I even had one of my first jobs ripped into a pack with a lot of other non-permission helmets, compiled by someone at RaceDept, and just brought it up to the guy but let it slide.

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  18. This site is close to becoming entertaining, like a comedy club.
    You know, when you don’t know where the bad comments overbad or not the journalism failures.
    Highly entertaining nonetheless.

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