Reader Submission #111 – Dirty Rammers

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How can online racing become the norm, without each lobby descending into a tornado of madness? It’s a topic we’ve looked at here on PRC.net last Friday, yet today we’ve received an anonymous Reader Submission wishing to discuss the matter again in a bit more detail. As iRacing continues to dominate the sim racing landscape, reeling in an active player count almost double what Assetto Corsa and Project CARS are able to achieve on a nightly basis, online racing is here to stay, yet the experience can be tainted if not everyone in the room is up to speed. How can developers ensure as many virtual drivers as possible enter each race with adequate car control skills? One of our readers believes he has the solution – or part of it, at least.


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Hello PRC! Today I’m sending you my first submission, inspired by your article on Friday called “Patience.” It touches a very interesting topic, and I’d like to share my view. I am absolutely convinced organized online racing is the future of racing games, and I have a huge interest to see the kind of solutions developers come up with in this area. It doesn’t matter how good the artificial intelligence of each title is, there will always be that corner where they’re much slower than you, and that other corner where you can’t match them. They’ll always behave in a weird way when you race them in certain places. They will never be as good and predictable as racing other competent humans, or at least we’re still far off the day someone nails it.

In the “Patience” article,  you explain how the lack of good drivers can potentially kill any racing platform you create, and I wholeheartedly agree. If you keep trying to improve your rating (or whatever each system calls it) to get good races, only to still be paired with crash-kids who are only there because of a fluke win, you’ll give up very soon. The dream of of joining decent pick and play rooms at any time needs a big user base to become a reality, as the deeper the player pool, the more chances each driver gets paired with twenty or so other individuals with a similar skill level.

There’s nothing wrong with leagues, but sometimes you can’t really stick to their schedule. Instant clean racing would be fantastic, but it´s really difficult to achieve. As you pointed out, it is even harder in console games, and it’s really interesting that games like GT Sport are trying to build something that’s properly structured. I’m not quite sure you can build something like iRacing for the console crowd. Even if the very top events are half-decent, I’m afraid the daily experience is going to be a nightmare. 75% of players out there completely suck at racing games, and most of these guys can’t be saved. Racecraft takes years to learn. Unless you try your best to “save” the ones that suck because they’ve just started playing these games, you´re never going to gather a decent number of competent players in the long run. But even if there are guys who will never become competent, there are many that could improve a lot with some help.

I think many of these problems were already mentioned in the comment section of your article – the bits that weren’t Assetto Corsa spam anyway – but what about the solutions? I think that if developers make an effort to bring these guys up to speed with proper tutorials, or with a more serious single player experience, the pool of good drivers could become bigger. If you keep forcing the players to play five lap races starting last and show them they need to pass one car every corner, they´ll take that approach with them when they go online. If you show them how a proper race weekend usually proceeds, they´ll understand it.

When I was a kid, I remember buying the original Gran Turismo, being very young and clueless about motor racing as a whole. While the game had many of the sins I mentioned – like stupid single player structure – I vividly remember the instruction booklet coming with lessons that came in very handy. One of the things I can remember is their explanation for the friction circle, that I could grasp even as a brat. They taught a dirty kid with next to no racecraft not to turn and brake hard at the same time in 30 seconds, and many other things that allowed me to survive the initial frustrations and keep playing the game until I started enjoying it.

If they could help me in 1998 with some shitty book, imagine the kind of welcome you could give to new racers today! Extensive in-game tutorials, help in external websites like YouTube, a race engineer feature that suggests the correct changes for each setup problem… and yet no one gives a shit –  no one even tries to implement this stuff to the point where it works!

Recently I bumped into a series of videos about racing etiquette that I think are a perfect example of the kind of material that could help make public online racing a bit better. The quality is poor, the creator has a heavy Italian accent I can’t stand, and I´m pretty sure they’re created using that abomination called Project CARS, but they’re brilliant at explaining clearly what is expected from a driver when it goes wheel to wheel in each different situation:

Now if a random sim racer can do something like this, imagine how cool and engaging developers could make it look! Include something like this in the games, teach drivers how to race wheel to wheel, and you’ll be helping a lot the guys getting into racing games for the first time. Many of the usual turn one accidents happen because players are completely clueless about how to drive with other cars alongside them, so for fucks sake, make an effort to help these guys understand what to do! 

And the same could be done with stuff like basic setup tweaks and many other areas that can confuse newcomers. To become decent at racing games, being a motorsport fan helps a lot, and I´m sure there are many guys with the skill to become decent drivers that will never get there because the games don’t do the job of introducing the basics to them. Some worthy guys will leave out of frustration, and you can’t let that happen in such a small community. Everyone needs to pick up these games, and even if they aren’t very fast, they still need to be able to say “I understand what is expected of me.”

Transform these license tests some games have into something actually helpful, teach the new guys how to race safely in a pack instead of asking them to do a hotlap without crashing, show them the value of consistency. Punish poor driving in every game mode with damage or penalties, and shape them into safe and cautious racers. If you treat your new players as if they were idiots, they will become idiots. If you take them seriously and try to help them getting up to speed, the ones with some skill will eventually become worthy racers. What you can’t do is to ask them to repeat stupid sprint races and then throw them online.

Otherwise it will just be a total mess, and won’t be very much fun for everyone involved.


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I agree with you on basically every single point, so I guess this place is going to temporarily turn into an echo chamber for the time being. Not that this is a bad thing, the topic of clean online racing is one that definitely needs to be discussed at length before the next batch of sims hit the market, as I’m sure all of them will try to steal iRacing’s thunder in some format. They’d be stupid not to – do developers really think they can just repackage the isiMotor engine for a fifth or sixth time and call it a day in 2017 or 2018? Hell naw, that’s ridiculous. You know a revolution is coming, and iRacing was just the start.

You are correct that Gran Turismo Sport will be in for a rough ride this fall. As I’ve said earlier, the collective audience of Gran Turismo as a whole aren’t the best racers to begin with. Some just enjoy grinding through career mode and purchasing a few of their favorite cars before treating it as a massive automotive sandbox. These guys will be in for a world of hurt when the emphasis is suddenly focused on clean, competitive racing, and the once-relaxed online lobbies have been replaced with an entirely different driving mentality. I think you’re right in that the longtime Gran Turismo fans will simply get frustrated at this change in direction and be completely unwilling to adapt to the new style. When you’re a casual racing game fan, and have approached each title with the same mindset of “I’m just here to fuck around with cars in a semi-realistic environment”, people shouting at you on the mic for being a shitty fucking driver and ruining the experience for others is a quick way to get people to put down the game for good.

Your comments about the Career Modes of each title playing a role in how the average sim racer – or console racer for that matter – drives, again I think you’re spot on. When you boot up Forza, Gran Turismo, Assetto Corsa, or even Project CARS, there’s no incentive to actually play the game in any sort of hardcore format. Forza and Gran Turismo give you these dinky five minute races for the majority of the Single Player progression, pushing away the genuinely difficult races that require strategy into a category where they’re completely optional, so you’re never actually forced to get good at the respective simulator you’re playing. For example, my buddy has Forza Motorsport 6 and we’ve been spending a fair bit of time with the NASCAR Expansion because it’s not as bad as a lot of people say it is, and it definitely bummed us out that there’s only one full-length NASCAR race available. Sure, 200 laps at Homestead is fun the first four or five times, but why did Turn 10 neglect to include full length events at Daytona, Indianapolis, Sears Point, and Watkins Glen as well? And why are these really cool endurance events, like the 8-lap Nordschleife endeavor in GTE cars, tucked away in an optional section of the game? You have these crazy fucking difficult games like Dark Souls and Ninja Gaiden 2 earning a massive reputation among mainstream gamers for their overall challenge, but when it comes to race car simulators, nope, any sort of realistic race length is deemed too hard, and the audience has to be treated like attention deficit riddled school children.

And you’re right, when the audience is never tasked with actually preserving a car for more than five minutes, or they’re not punished for driving like a knob, they’re completely fucking retarded when they hit the track online. Now as for the second portion of your submission, regarding developers including racing ettiquette tutorials within their software, this actually used to be the norm back in the day. A YouTube user by the name of JRRacing64 has graciously uploaded every single tutorial video included within NASCAR Racing 2002 Season; tutorials narrated by three-time NASCAR Champion Darrell Waltrip.

Again, this was in 2002, long before fancy video editing software could be yanked from ThePirateBay in the span of about an hour. Even if there is nobody currently on the payroll who could be allocated to making this kind of stuff, nothing is stopping a team from outsourcing this aspect of development to a talented community member with a well-maintained YouTube channel, and inserting it into the game as part of a detailed Racing School section with on-track tutorials.

My theory as to why this stuff has been removed and completely omitted from modern simulators, is that sim racing developers themselves feel the genre is dying a slow and painful death, and that they believe the same people are buying each new title, year after year, with absolutely no newcomers to the genre whatsoever. I mean, if they believe all current sim racing community members started with GTR 2’s Racing School, what’s the point in adding a racing school to every game afterwards? It’s far less time consuming for them to just add a few driving assists and be done with it – which was fine for the previous generation of sims – but if we progress to a point where all sims have an iRacing-like mode of play, this is going to be needed again.

Lastly, I think your comment about license tests may hold the key to long-term sustainability of organized online racing. Let’s be honest, the Safety Rating and iRating aspects of iRacing cause some drivers to become super paranoid, with on-track incidents escalating into sheer chaos that eventually spills into the forums. The smart thing to do if developers don’t want to throw tons of money at replicating iRacing’s online format, is to implement Gran Turismo-style License Tests (or a GTR2-style racing school), and you’re only allowed to enter lobbies of a certain skill level provided you’ve passed the appropriate tutorials with acceptable results. As a competent driver, it may be annoying to spend the first two hours with the game completing boring-ass license tests, but a good driver will be able to ace these on the first try anyways, and considering the pay-off is a consistently clean online racing experience, what’s two hours out of your day watching a few mandatory videos and running through a couple on-track scenarios?

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68 thoughts on “Reader Submission #111 – Dirty Rammers

  1. Its gaming in general too, i have to join groups and organised games for the vast majority of my sims, gaming really has to start maturing and stop trying to target the teens all the time adn these fucking retarded lets play troll cultuer young cunts seem to love,your averge gamer is 30 years old now, yet we still cant get around the 1st fucking corner ON EVERY SINGLE PUBLIC Server, and tbh a lot of it you can see ppl are actually trying, they just fucking suck, they have priority’s wrong, they want to drive fast first, THEN learn how to drive safe and defensively later, Id rather have a entire field with 1 sec between them, then deal with carnage in every FUCKING race, and being forced to leave first lap.

    I believe poor FOV settings is a major cause too, a correct FOV is vital in close racing, its impossible to gauge distance and scale otherwise,regardless of silly apps everywhere and spotters blabbing on,but most fellers dont wanna see their camera up on the dash and miss all that lovely HD cockpit do they?

    Also despite (especially the(unemployed) youth) spending hundreds of hours on games, they seem to lack any dedication to actually “practicing” and then complain how long it takes to get good, and blame the game for being unrealistically hard, if they aint busting nuts after day 1 they lose interest and find the next “lets play” fad,I think alot of ppl genuinely arent interested in proper Motorsports and or the simulation of it, they pick up these sims (stream sale) ,and are just looking for a half good looking game with cars they can blast about in pretending to be ken block or some shit, only takes one of these plebs in a full dedicated field to ruin it for all.

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    1. Yeah I agree. I really think it often boils down to the young cunts and related culture that don’t have enough sustained interest in motorsports.

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      1. lol cant tell if you being sarc, but yeah I genuinely believe there is a culture among young gamers to take absolutely nothing seriously,and have no issues what so ever ruining others fun, I cant stand it, if some random muppet showed up and stole me rugby ball and ruined any kind of game or kick around for everyone, they’d get a boot up the arse and told to fuck off or we’d call his mum, and it would just be lame as fuck and not funny at all, but if your behind a screen its magically makes it funny right?

        Im glad I didnt grow up behind a screen with the net, and learnt proper human interactions face to face,both good and bad, I almost feel sorry for young fellers today.

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        1. ” if some random muppet showed up and stole me rugby ball and ruined any kind of game or kick around for everyone, they’d get a boot up the arse ”

          This analogy also applies to the targeted young gamers in your post. In real life no kid or adult would like that happening while playing ball, irrespective of how they behave online in games. People who ruin others fun or competition are also the first ones to complain/cry when others do the same to them.

          This type of behavior we’re complaining here starts at home with insufficient education, continues at school or street with another group of same age friends, and it also comes from that person’s characteristics of not really understanding what they are doing and what it causes, as well as not having respect for others when doing something that affects those others.
          But fortunately all this isn’t set in stone, kids change, some don’t. For example kids that are bullies can grow up and radically change their stance with others. Others can remain as annoying and disrespectful as they were at a young age.

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        2. Or maybe you should grow a thicker skin and stop taking games so seriously. If your feelings get hurt so easily then online gaming is not for you.

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        3. No not being sarcastic at all. Youths already suffer from short attention spans and the sensory overload they are raise in leads them to expect constant entertainment for zero or minimal effort.

          And like you said, some people can be any age and not get it. Usually because they aren’t really capable of focusing.

          Then you also have the guys who COULD have been fun to race with but they wanted to push as fast as possible in turn 1 and now they are restarting from the pits.

          Anyways, I’m just repeating what you said and not making any new points.

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        4. I’m pretty sure whoever stole ye rugby ball also made off with ye periods, and it was probably a goddamn young feller!

          Get off my lawn!

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    2. Picture the scene. You’re running an online racing service and you want to choose a guy or girl to moderate the forums and make sure everyone’s being fair and behaving themselves. Who do you choose? What characteristics do you look for?

      Any professional organisation would choose someone tolerant and without prejudice. After all we can’t have someone running things who hates muslims, gays and women for instance. We want someone who can be fair, and who has the intellect and communication skill to ensure members know what rules they’ve broken, why, and how they can improve their behaviour. We want someone who will be diligent in their work, who will nurture a community by setting a positive example.

      Just in case he deletes it, here’s a screenshot. He posted this March 8th and 9th 2016. [img]https://s31.postimg.org/90miwhf9n/shannonwhitmore.png[/img]

      This is the kind of guy iRacing employs to run things. Let’s break it down for you.

      – “Ooph!, Rubio got slapped around like a Detroit street hooker.”
      – “Yea, in Michigan especially. He and the other liberal need to quit nd hopefully Cruz gets those votes. Rubio is going get slapped around like a Miami street hooker next week in Florida, Hopefully.”
      – “Oh well he got beat so bad in Michigan after all that money he spent and promised his Pimps (gop elites and chamber of commerce) that they slapped him around like a hooker. BATCH WHERE MY MONEY!!”

      First, he hopes Cruz gets the votes. This ted Cruz https://is.gd/4s8J2Y. First, he’s a Tea Party republican. Straight away that tells you he’s nuts. The far right of an already very right-wing party. Even other republicans think he’s too extreme. He wanted to repeal gay marriage, uphold all gun rights, replace income tax with sales tax (let’s redistribute wealth from the poor to the rich), opposes exceptions for incest or rape in abortion laws, yep he’s a treat. That he considers this guy ok and guys like Rubio to be liberal.. just wow. It tells me that his own views likely match those of Cruz, or at least that Cruz is the closest match to his own beliefs. This means that iRacing has someone in charge of forums (and competition in general) who hates women, gays and Muslims, and thinks that more guns is always the solution. Could that be why anyone suggesting after yet another mass shooting that perhaps fewer guns would mean less gun crime gets banned, while threads like http://members.iracing.com/jforum/posts/list/3494381.page where members show off ridiculously large collections of guns which would be sufficient for a terrorist group to commit enormous atrocities go unmolested, indeed Shannon intervenes when people question the ethics of gun ownership to shoo the objectors away.

      Now the second level of all this is that he thinks it’s ok to joke about violence towards women, and even when his female friend called him out on it he carried on, blissfully unaware of his ignorance.

      Yeah I really trust that guy to lead by example, make complex decisions about the rights and wrongs of any competition and make judgements about what is and isn’t ok to say on a forum. Well done iRacing.

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    3. Picture the scene. You’re running an online racing service and you want to choose a guy or girl to moderate the forums and make sure everyone’s being fair and behaving themselves. Who do you choose? What characteristics do you look for?

      Any professional organisation would choose someone tolerant and without prejudice. After all we can’t have someone running things who hates muslims, gays and women for instance. We want someone who can be fair, and who has the intellect and communication skill to ensure members know what rules they’ve broken, why, and how they can improve their behaviour. We want someone who will be diligent in their work, who will nurture a community by setting a positive example.

      Just in case he deletes it, here’s a screenshot. He posted this March 8th and 9th 2016. https://s31.postimg.org/90miwhf9n/shannonwhitmore.png

      This is the kind of guy iRacing employs to run things. Let’s break it down for you.

      – “Ooph!, Rubio got slapped around like a Detroit street hooker.”
      – “Yea, in Michigan especially. He and the other liberal need to quit nd hopefully Cruz gets those votes. Rubio is going get slapped around like a Miami street hooker next week in Florida, Hopefully.”
      – “Oh well he got beat so bad in Michigan after all that money he spent and promised his Pimps (gop elites and chamber of commerce) that they slapped him around like a hooker. BATCH WHERE MY MONEY!!”

      First, he hopes Cruz gets the votes. This ted Cruz https://is.gd/4s8J2Y. First, he’s a Tea Party republican. Straight away that tells you he’s nuts. The far right of an already very right-wing party. Even other republicans think he’s too extreme. He wanted to repeal gay marriage, uphold all gun rights, replace income tax with sales tax (let’s redistribute wealth from the poor to the rich), opposes exceptions for incest or rape in abortion laws, yep he’s a treat. That he considers this guy ok and guys like Rubio to be liberal.. just wow. It tells me that his own views likely match those of Cruz, or at least that Cruz is the closest match to his own beliefs. This means that iRacing has someone in charge of forums (and competition in general) who hates women, gays and Muslims, and thinks that more guns is always the solution. Could that be why anyone suggesting after yet another mass shooting that perhaps fewer guns would mean less gun crime gets banned, while threads like http://members.iracing.com/jforum/posts/list/3494381.page where members show off ridiculously large collections of guns which would be sufficient for a terrorist group to commit enormous atrocities go unmolested, indeed Shannon intervenes when people question the ethics of gun ownership to shoo the objectors away.

      Now the second level of all this is that he thinks it’s ok to joke about violence towards women, and even when his female friend called him out on it he carried on, blissfully unaware of his ignorance.

      Yeah I really trust that guy to lead by example, make complex decisions about the rights and wrongs of any competition and make judgements about what is and isn’t ok to say on a forum. Well done iRacing.

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  2. ” It doesn’t matter how good the artificial intelligence of each title is, there will always be that corner where they’re much slower than you, and that other corner where you can’t match them. They’ll always behave in a weird way when you race them in certain places. They will never be as good and predictable as racing other competent humans, or at least we’re still far off the day someone nails it.”

    And yet… Grand prix 4 solved all this 16 years ago…

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  3. Each driver should also have a peer rating system with reviews, I know there would be some abuse but at least it eliminates the anonymity of the mindless plebs, plus the youth are very subconscious about them selves that’s why Facebook got so big.

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  4. Multiplayer will never be a popular mode of pc racing. Learning is too time consuming. Most players are casuals who like to pull some laps every now and then with ai. Offline, without rammers, just for relaxed fun. They sure don’t want to learn motorsport rules and racing etiquette. Keep on dreaming guys 😂😄

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  5. Look at iracing sales and their online statistics. It’s pathetic. Iracing isn’t more popular because online is their only game mode. Got it?
    Now check other sims sales numbers, then count their active multiplayer users. Does it look like people like to race online with others? Nope.

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    1. They don’t race online with others because they are sick of getting taken out in the first turn. It comes full circle.

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    1. Actually no, he’s from Spain… Ive raced with Dyr a lot in the past and he also has written a fair few reader submissions on Pcars for PRC. He’s definitely not “paki” as you so nicely describe it.

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  6. These problems rarely occur in Assetto Corsa, as we have the cleanest online drivers. iRacing is a demolition derby compared to AC multiplayer.

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    1. Dude, please don’t be like fans of other sims and exaggerate or even lie. Don’t give AC players a bad reputation like fans from other sims already have due to shit talking the competition.
      Be the better man, don’t take the same route as them.

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    2. yup iRacing pysik is broken. The cars in iRenting tend to FLY higher up in the earth atmosphere then in AC also that cheesy random damage model in iR.

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    1. So I’m a shill for not hating on AC? Go on the AC Forums, the AC Steam Forums, and Race Department to see that many people enjoy what AC’s multiplayer has to offer, especially when you can get all the DLC content in AC for a price lot cheaper than iRacing, and you don’t have to pay a subscription fee.

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      1. Been using AC MP a bit lately, when I said Ive seen wrecks in T1 on every single pub server, i was directly referencing my latest AC experience, be it MX5 or f1, every race, RF2 and AMS when I can find a pub race there, is generally a lot better,but not many server, AC plenty of pub action but wrecks in every race, and unique in AC, is you get outright deliberate trolls regularly.

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        1. Had some clean minorating A-B races and one or two random pub races where everyone could keep it together.

          You’re right though, overall it’s very unlikely to get a clean race in a standard pub AC race, even if you qualify in the top 5 you can still get easily taken out by the guy in last who lost his brake pedal and dives inside for t1.

          I don’t find it significantly worse than iracing rookies on ovals but rookie ovals is the absolute worst of iracing for clean driving anyways so that isn’t saying much.

          AC doesn’t even have something comparable to rookie ovals to begin sorting players into skills classes. Rookie ovals are a tedious but effective introduction for racing in traffic, rookie usually consists

          I believe the easier starting event combinations (particularly rookie oval) are an important part of why iRacing’s formula works and does turn some terrible racers into people that can share a track somewhat consistently.

          As you said, some people are a lost cause. Guessing many of those types have ended up in AC MP, because the non-minorating servers usually have at least one guy who is driving like an absolute cunt or just downright wrecking people and not completing laps.

          I hope that the kunos official MR servers are an indication that kunos is thinking about doing something in an official capacity to improve the competitive environment.

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          1. Wasn’t so much a slur on AC, its simply numbers I believe, only ppl really dedicated to sim racing are booting up AMS or rf2 to any regularity,and the numbers show, but AC has a large diverse set of players, Im guessing Pcars pub MP be a mess too for same reason, and yeah Iracing experiencing similar stuff in rookies, Im a current B mino, and it does seem to work, just too few actually setting up a-b races.

            In arma I know there a third party “list” that servers share for bans and warnings, maybe AC community could look at something like that, its has worked fairly well in Arma, despite fears of nazi admins.

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  7. Then, add PCARS AI and their tendency to overtake outside of track limits. A “perfect” example for online players.

    It’s very simple: you fool developers, expend your time at the implementation of real-life rules and punishments. You, developers, are smart enough to create AI drivers, be smart enough to create AI marshalls.

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  8. I vaguely remember the driving school of GTR2 but I don’t remember learning anything useful from it, other than VERY good track section practice, which should still be a thing if you are doing racing school in your sim.
    I can never understand how something as obvious as a racing school is left out of modern racing titles. It’s like devs want their public to fail hard. Licenses blocking access to certain car classes or online functions is bound to provide disgruntled 12 year olds but hopefully lead to better online activity.

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    1. Racing school is useful for those who want to be good online racers. That’s why it’s left out. Why make such an effort for those few thousand individuals? When 300.000 – 500.000 buyers of the game couldn’t care less? Multiplayer is there to try because it’s pop and hip in general, but the vast majority of racing sim buyers will never be regular multiplayers.

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      1. Iracing has few thousand active users and a training system. It’s not much, but it’s all we have at the moment. I agree MP will never have an essential role of car simulator playing. Count the active Iracers, there you have it.

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  9. Picture the scene. You’re running an online racing service and you want to choose a guy or girl to moderate the forums and make sure everyone’s being fair and behaving themselves. Who do you choose? What characteristics do you look for?

    Any professional organisation would choose someone tolerant and without prejudice. After all we can’t have someone running things who hates muslims, gays and women for instance. We want someone who can be fair, and who has the intellect and communication skill to ensure members know what rules they’ve broken, why, and how they can improve their behaviour. We want someone who will be diligent in their work, who will nurture a community by setting a positive example.

    Just in case he deletes it, here’s a screenshot. He posted this March 8th and 9th 2016. https://s31.postimg.org/90miwhf9n/shannonwhitmore.png

    This is the kind of guy iRacing employs to run things. Let’s break it down for you.

    – “Ooph!, Rubio got slapped around like a Detroit street hooker.”
    – “Yea, in Michigan especially. He and the other liberal need to quit nd hopefully Cruz gets those votes. Rubio is going get slapped around like a Miami street hooker next week in Florida, Hopefully.”
    – “Oh well he got beat so bad in Michigan after all that money he spent and promised his Pimps (gop elites and chamber of commerce) that they slapped him around like a hooker. BATCH WHERE MY MONEY!!”

    First, he hopes Cruz gets the votes. This ted Cruz https://is.gd/4s8J2Y. First, he’s a Tea Party republican. Straight away that tells you he’s nuts. The far right of an already very right-wing party. Even other republicans think he’s too extreme. He wanted to repeal gay marriage, uphold all gun rights, replace income tax with sales tax (let’s redistribute wealth from the poor to the rich), opposes exceptions for incest or rape in abortion laws, yep he’s a treat. That he considers this guy ok and guys like Rubio to be liberal.. just wow. It tells me that his own views likely match those of Cruz, or at least that Cruz is the closest match to his own beliefs. This means that iRacing has someone in charge of forums (and competition in general) who hates women, gays and Muslims, and thinks that more guns is always the solution. Could that be why anyone suggesting after yet another mass shooting that perhaps fewer guns would mean less gun crime gets banned, while threads like http://members.iracing.com/jforum/posts/list/3494381.page where members show off ridiculously large collections of guns which would be sufficient for a terrorist group to commit enormous atrocities go unmolested, indeed Shannon intervenes when people question the ethics of gun ownership to shoo the objectors away.

    Now the second level of all this is that he thinks it’s ok to joke about violence towards women, and even when his female friend called him out on it he carried on, blissfully unaware of his ignorance.

    Yeah I really trust that guy to lead by example, make complex decisions about the rights and wrongs of any competition and make judgements about what is and isn’t ok to say on a forum. Well done iRacing.

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  10. @James, this guy won’t stop spamming until you make an article rant about what he keeps spamming.

    @spammer, just do a user submission on this blog and stop posting this stuff everywhere multiple times.

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  11. Iracing is just as bad,you have to run leagues or a really unpopular series to get clean racing,and anyone who thinkgs the guy who moderates the forum,and incedents is the right kind of guy obviously is his friend and he protects them.

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  12. and why you copy and paste your spammer shit 3 times? Be a man and flood the entire comment section not a spammer pussy, also you should be castrated immediately

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          1. No dude, it’s clearly the scrawlings of a terrorist planning a personal attack on Anonymous.

            Why aren’t you more scared? When you realize that a statistically insignificant threat is actually the most important topic in the world right now, only then will you be safe and understand that you need to buy protection from me.

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            1. Don’t give up to the fear! It’s the only thing they want!
              (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

              It is an issue, but not THE issue, I can’t actually say what THE issue is, because if I would, I’d be ded.

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  13. Youth has nothing to do with it, all due to lack of Skill and/or race etiquette and refusing to look at yourself for bad results.
    You cant help someone that does not want to help them self. there is a TON on info on Web on how to driver better. Wont make you perfect right away, but will start getting you thinking about the right stuff.
    One more thing, if your running mid to back of pack GET FASTER, as the guys in mid to back of pack are slow/bad and if your running with them you will have issues.
    Run up front, clean racing.

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    1. iRacing has as many rammers at the front as the back. And this stuff about top splits being cleaner is just a goddamn joke. Just as many yellows at the top as the bottom. And their piss poor tire model coupled with the assinine random weather guarantees crashes. Truly they’ve lost their way in the quest for “realism”.

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    2. >Youth has nothing to do with it, all due to lack of Skill and/or race etiquette and refusing to look at yourself for bad results.

      That’s reverse ageism at work.

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  14. Looks like we already have a few AC fuckboys trying to ruin the comments section of this article just like they did with the last one. And these same AC fuckboys want to claim that they are the one’s being attacked? HAHAHAHA You cunts attacked rF2 and iRacing in the comments section from the last article, and you still are using the victim card. How about you AC cunts stop thinking that you are better than everyone else, and get off your high horses because AC is far from being the best sim racing game in the market. After saying that, you AC cunts will rush into automatic defense mode and play the victim role again, when you have been bashing other sims more than you play your own sim.

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    1. Iracing is actually destroying any active user base rf2 might have had. Iracing has the cars, the tracks, and systems that people want. And people don’t mind paying $100-200 for iracing instead of $90 for rf2 and having no one to play against, and inferior content and systems to iracing.

      You are delusional to think AC fans are against rf2, because iracing already did that job years ago.

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  15. *My* feeling as to why this stuff has been removed and completely omitted from modern simulators, is that the graphics today, while very pretty, are *much more expensive to create* compared to the graphics of circa 2002, while being only marginally more functional – yeah you can see detail farther down the road and have more onscreen information, but otherwise you just get (semi-)useless eye candy. The point is, *that’s* where the budget is going, and not to creating driving schools, frickin’ proper use manuals, better AI or netcode.

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  16. James my man, those raceroom screenshots have some rough geometry!

    I might have a free hardware upgrade for you, send me an e-mail if you’re interested.

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