Elbowgate

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It’s no secret here on PRC.net that I’m not a fan of Direct Drive Wheels, or any high-end racing simulation gear for that matter. If you’ve been patiently waiting for an extensive review of a fancy Thrustmaster, Fanatec, or even an Accuforce product – hoping we’ll one day drop the pessimistic antics and establish ourselves as a somewhat legitimate sim racing publication – I can safely say that we have no plans to progress in that direction at any point in the foreseeable future. The three of us behind PRC.net are absolute proof that you can be extremely successful in the world of sim racing with entry level products, essentially invalidating the extensive marketing campaigns used by the aforementioned companies which promise a greater level of immersion and virtual car control in exchange for a four-figure investment.

For us, it’s hard to even take a passing interest in the various hardware peripherals aimed at sim racers willing to part with large portions of their disposable income, as the standard Logitech stuff has served us quite well over the years. When you are already at the front of the pack in nearly every online race your enter, it’s hard to justify upwards of $1,400 on a fancier toy steering wheel. I mean, how could this possibly improve the experience? You obviously need some kind of steering wheel to get the most out of a racing simulator, but if you’re already atop the pretend podium with none other than generic Logitech shit you snagged off eBay from a previous owner, what comes afterwards with an equipment upgrade? Zero-th?

And because of that position, it’s admittedly difficult to look at owners of Direct Drive Wheels as anything other than modern-day equivalents of Nintendo Power Glove adopters. It’s completely unnecessary. Now I do my best to stay out of sim gear threads, as well as sim rig threads, because all too often a line is crossed where the expenses of building a sim rig surpasses the expenses of strapping your ass in a race car, and jumping into the conversation to tell people that is just going to create an abundance of pointless arguments. But the few occasions I have combed through threads discussing Direct Drive Wheels in an attempt to understand this sub-community of elite gear enthusiasts, I’ve always felt like I’ve run into the gear snobs from high school gym class all over again. When guys boast about their new Direct Drive purchase, I’m not jealous; I’m reminded of the kid who bought a pair of Under Armor receiver gloves for our Flag Football month. I can assure you that we didn’t call him Randy Moss because of his ability to catch a football, and a belt-driven steering wheel certainly won’t grant you the driving abilities of Ayrton Senna.

And yet despite this – what some could be justified in calling an irrational hatred towards Direct Drive Wheel owners – I’ve struggled to properly convey how bizarre this group of individuals can be. I mean, I can sit here on Teamspeak with our group of bros and describe how direct drive owners are a bunch of clueless old men who can barely drive to begin with, have no idea how to configure their force feedback, and blindly follow ridiculous marketing gimmicks promising unprecedented sim racing immersion for more than the cost of going racing at your local short track, but I’ve never been able to show hard evidence of just how retarded these people can be.

And then a friend of ours fired this piece of absolute brilliance to us on Facebook – originally posted by a Boeing employee on the iRacing member forums.

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I don’t think anybody on any sim racing message board will ever manage to top the sheer stupidity of this post. Here you have a Boeing employee (information supplied by our buddy), an individual who helps build America’s most prominent commercial aircraft – the 787 Dreamliner – risking his livelihood to absolutely annihilate his arm with his pretend steering wheel in the pursuit of immersing himself in a computer game.

Oh, you think this is all a bunch of bullshit; some troll account messing with the iRacing member forums? Alright then, we can play that game.

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The next time you go on the forums and start asking for high-end gear advice, keep in mind that you’re literally among people who are so fucking retarded, they’ll completely botch the configuration of their pricey toy steering wheel setup to the point where it’s physically injuring them and forcing ’em to see a doctor.

At least it makes for a good iRacing story, right?

 

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104 thoughts on “Elbowgate

  1. You literally made a fallacy in the first paragraph of this “I’m better than you” pedestal climbing article. Conflating “being better” with “immersion”. You claimed to be fast at sim racing games with cheap products and then immediately downplayed companies and their products for making claims about immersion. The two have nothing to do with one another. Using flappy paddles to shift the Maserati 250F will probably be faster than using a gated shifter. Using the gated shifter is going to be a hell of a lot more fun and “immersive”. Stop trying to shit on products that cost money that add to immersion. Some of us are actually trying to have fun with this hobby inbetween our actual track days because I’m not sure if you’ve heard, but a time traveling trip to the 1950s layout of Monza using a 1950s era Formula 1 car is pretty expensive these days. Those time traveling devices come pretty steep. Holy fuck listen to yourself before you post shit like this.

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  2. GG Allin = Austin
    Floor = Sim Racing Community
    Shit being Taken = pretendracecars.net
    Smearing of shit all over = each article
    Small cock = proof of how insecure james is
    Eating Shit = what you should do

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  3. Ugh, slow news day? People don’t buy high-end setups to be “faster”. We do it do enjoy what we are doing more than before. Immersion, fun, improving the EXPERIENCE.

    I put sim gear purchases behind my real race car and street machine fund, but I sure as hell do make it so that I have the most enjoyable sim experience at home in between trackdays.
    But I don’t even know how to set up force feedback 😉

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  4. Why not consider a fancier wheel if it has some useful other feature, build quality advantage, or like the DIY wheel option, would be a useful learning project assuming someone can already set up their wheel right to start with?
    Someone injuring themselves with bad settings is one thing, but if it’s that big of a hobby to sim race, what is actually wrong with buying nicer stuff? Used wheels are a good budget buy, but it seems odd to say “don’t do more than this for a sim racing hobby/career because some of us who use basic gear are the leaderboard tops so nobody else needs to use better gear than us”.

    Especially as it would be nice to see a publication like PRC that’s actually not in the pockets of people tear into high end wheels and give some honest feedback and not give praise unlimited to a cheap wheel with some car brand name stuck on it and the price shoved up by $200, or calling out a pedal setup as being objectively poorly designed easily broken trash that isn’t a good replica of any vehicle. I would be happy to even donate to help fund good objective reviews of gear if needed, but to say others shouldn’t buy it because someone else has a different setup that works for them?

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  5. I have a logitech G29 as well the quality is satisfying and the force feedback is good for the pricetag, would love to get a direct drive wheel but the expense is too high for the step up from a G29 which i am sure will not be that high. I think for price tags in that region you should think of a real simulator wheel and not those mainstream market products something like an FREX for example:

    http://www.frex.com/gp/simwheel/

    Also you don´t buy a crazy expensive wheel to be ahead of the pack, but to have much better force feedback and more immersion, lastly remember that a man’s praise in his own mouth stinks.

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  6. Not everyone wants to be “extremely successful in the world of sim racing”. Simply because people understand they aren’t that good or can’t be bothered to practice a lot when the natural talent isn’t there. Because besides the competition aspect, there’s a lot of following in sim racing for hobby play, for enjoying the games and the simulation of various cars and tracks. Maybe even racing here and there.

    I guess the moral of the story is to not drive race cars in real life because it can hurt real bad if you aren’t trained or in shape. Please play at home with your G27.

    But if you do buy a powerful wheel, make sure you understand the physical capabilities it has, for both good and bad, and use settings that are safe for your body and your table.

    Now if prc had one of those, they could make a guide for 6.99 on how to operate such wheels, what are the best settings to extract the best performance without being a monster that can cause injuries.

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  7. I’d just like to say, if this guy does work at/for Boeing, it doesn’t actually mean he really does anything for the plane. He could just bolt down the seats in the finished fuse, which a trained monkey could do, so rest assured, the Boeing planes are still safe.
    On to the topic, I still prefer my Fanatec GT2 over the loud clicky clacky Logitechs. The DD wheels are a better smoother product though, but whatever, it doesn’t really matter.

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  8. Immersion my fucking ass. You want full immersion then drive a real fucking car instead of spending thousands of dollars on a sim rig. I am satisfied with the immersion I get from playing rF2 with a keyboard, and I am competitive in races with a keyboard as well. How does it make you feel when a keyboard racer beats you direct drive wheel clowns in a race?

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    1. Look at the big boy acting tough. Maybe you should get out of your moms basement, get a job and buy a decent wheel.

      Even a bonobo monkey can be fast on a keyboard with assists on…

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  9. I really enjoy reading your shitposts daily, but this one is a bit pointless. Not all of us have the talent or ability to lead the pack, but that doesnt take away that some people buy expensive toys cause they want them and they can afford them.

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  10. What makes me smile every time i open articles here – how much “i” in every post in here 😀

    If you are snowboarder, skateboarder and can take high end gear to give you more precise fun/immersion, you have money for that, why not to take it?))

    On the other side, people think too much about gear.

    On the real side – the more information you gain from your senses – wheel, eyes, hearing – the more outcome in control will be. That what it is all about. I know you guys here love to advert that you try many times “real” sport cars. And you laugh about how much sensory input you have. Even if you don’t know how to correctly understand it, just realize, that if someone can take more from simulator – he should. Its all about sensory input and outcome in more control and right decisions.

    There is no drama, when people broke their hands because they don’t respect Nm in their DD wheels.

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    1. Dude LFS had at some point at least usage terms that said the software developer was not responsible for any injury or death that resulted from using the game. I think they were on to something XD .

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  11. I never realized you were so full of it, Ogonoski. Sell your crappy wheel and move on to keyboard plus mouse instead. That will make you even more efficient and even more full of shit.

    You are over-obsessed with yourself just as much as the “Lord Kunos”, except he kind of manages to come up with something more or less useful (like the Japanese cars pack).

    Buying a fancy wheel is a one time investment. A real car, on the other hand, is a cash sink that will be draining your wallet constantly and at a steep rate.
    If one can afford the said fancy wheel and can enjoy the immersion it provides, there is absolutely nothing wrong with buying it. People even buy gold watches, you know. Does that make them being able to tell the time more precisely than someone with a GPS-enabled cellphone? They just do it for different reasons. Many are just as exhibitionistic as yourself, James, even if in different areas. Yet some genuinely enjoy their purchase for what it is. And a hi-end wheel certainly offers much more in that regard than an expensive, but not a very functional trinket.

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    1. Haha he thinks that overpriced wheels are actually reliable or well supported.

      Here’s the spoiler: the way all FFB wheel outputs fundamentally work is far more of a limitation on their accuracy and muh immersions than the strength of the hardware. The tire physics in these games are not anywhere near accurate enough to justify that degree of hardware snobbery either. It’s like having a $10,000 sound system to play AM radio.

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  12. Rfactor 2 shill, you recon that we are not even playing the same game as its not a comparable feeling playing with keyboard, can tell you because i was just blown away how good the feeling of handling of a car is when driven with a usb wheel instead of a keyboard, no offence but you should consider using a wheel as that´s an entire other chapter of playing sims… otherwise you should at least get a joystick to drive this saab:

    http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fsaabplanet.saabplanet.netdna-cdn.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsaab-srs.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.saabplanet.com%2Fsaab-9000-drive-by-wire-1992%2F&h=360&w=640&tbnid=aKvD01IIwBw4bM%3A&docid=IODD0VaXKBicvM&ei=xUGbV8i8Lo3NaKuYtugK&tbm=isch&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=1012&page=1&start=0&ndsp=35&ved=0ahUKEwiIs-_CzJjOAhWNJhoKHSuMDa0QMwgkKAMwAw&bih=1031&biw=1888

    everything else has no simulation value

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  13. Meh, I have triple screens because I like having more peripheral vision. I upgraded my DFGT to a T300RS and Fanatec pedals because I could afford it and the DFGT felt notchy and was ridiculously loud. I don’t see why this makes me some kind of criminal.

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    1. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

      Best. Story. Ever. 😀

      Now babble about how playing with KBM can develop Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, how playing with your perfect G25 can break your rotator cuff or how watching the screen can cause your sight to go bad :D:D:D:D::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D::D:D:D:D:!

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    2. But it don’t feel like it 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

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  14. We should argue, if not already, that result is not at all the most important part in a hobby… sure it is an understandable obsession for a poor member of contemporary capitalist enviroment; like we are…

    Ps: of course result are not importante… you pathetic noob. 😀

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  15. Is someone mad at the world because they are poor? I just sent my fanatec shifter in to be gold platter so it matches the solid gold pedals I had made up just for me.

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  16. Anyone who sees this shit and wonders why no one plays racing sims is clueless. It’s not because the games are too hard. It’s not because the peripherals and a computer to run the games costs too much. It’s because this community is such a bunch of childish shitheads, from this goober on the iRacing forum to psycho Ogonoski here, to a lot of the geniuses in the comments. I mean my god, how is it possible that so many defectives are a fan of this genre?

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  17. James, you are really an ignorant and envy prick. DD-wheels just are like a Mercedes AMG compare to a cheap Kia, you idiot. And yes, it’s probably more easy to crash the AMG, but just much more fun as well.

    And only because some idiots running way to high forces and somehow abusing this power like other idiots driving to fast with their cars doesn’t mean, the cars are shit and your fucking Kia is the better car, moron.

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    1. But a Kia is a very practical urban car for short drives to work, while using a high end Mercedes AMG for grocery runs is just overkill. And it’s the same for sim racing. Nothing about this software demands a high end toy steering wheel that will fuck up your arm if you wreck. Until there are genuine tangible benefits to a DD wheel, it will always remain a placebo purchase.

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      1. Belt driven wheels all suffer from FFB-fading and are not reliable. Main reason I bought an AF. Second one is: All toy wheels are just good enough for power steering cars and don’t have the power to replicate historic race cars. It’s not about lap times, it’s about addictive fun plus physical workout while keeping a Group C or B monster on the track on the track.

        With higher resolution coming to VR very soon the simulation will be nearly perfect and no need to drive shitty cars at all.

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          1. That’s one reason more why I’ve no plastic wheel apart from the button device. And when I’m sweating in a cold room while sitting in a chair it’s caused by physical and mental activity. I don’t care if you are faster, because I’ve more fun, more workout and more immersion. And by the way, we don’t wear gloves because It looks more cool. It’s not even an option to drive with naked hands. You need the grip and the second skin against bruises. What what I’m writing here. You live in your own no-fact zone.

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            1. You would sweat in a cold room while doing any actiity that involves any moving at all since heating up your body is a natural reaction to a cold environment.

              Who is to say you have more fun? You seem pretty mad about the fact that someone has a different opinion to yours, how is that “fun”?

              The only reason why you should wear gloves using a sim wheel is to prevent excessive wear on the alcantara leather. If you wouldn’t wear gloves, the leather would soak itself with your sweat which would make it pretty nasty. The main reason why drivers wear gloves in real life is because of fire protection, not because they have more grip on the steering wheel. The leather does that for you. Also, I don’t want to know what fucking disease you have that would give you bruises from holding a wheel in your hand. Do you get bruises while driving your car as well or do you wear edgy “driving gloves”?

              Now, don’t get me wrong, if I had the money to throw around I’d buy myself a better wheel than my G27 as well (maybe I’ll buy a T300RS when GT Sport comes out) because if you set it up right then a good wheel definitely feels better than a G27 or whatever. But setting it up in such a way that it’ll break your bones or have sore muscles after driving then you are a complete retard.

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              1. Hemophilia and leukemia are two diseases that come to mind.

                As for the post, let’s just say it’s not Austin’s best effort.

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            2. Dude, don’t start on this shit again telling us about how much you sweat sitting behind a fucking toy wheel in a cold room.

              As I said last time, a single lap under real race conditions would kill you if we are to believe what you say.

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                1. Yeah I am curious about it myself.

                  Still though, there’s clearly something wrong with him if he’s sweating after 2 laps around monza or something of a similar length in a cold room.

                  Image what would happen if he tried to do a full body workout, his body is already at or near maximum heat dissipation ability just from the equivalent of lots of low-resistance reps with LONG periods of rest …

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      2. If you had a high-end Mercedes, no kids, why the hell would you drive the cheap boring Kia to and from the grocery store when you could drive something more enjoyable?

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      1. Yes my comparison was wrong, because the Kia has many advantages over the AMG like fitting in most parking spots. On the other hand a cheap wheel have not one advange and is just more shitty in every possible way. And you can try to beat my 6:36.8 in the LaFerrari @Nordschleife.

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          1. To be honest: no chance with the lastest tire model:D But try the 488 GT3 with default setup just aero to 0/4 and beat my 6:43,8.

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              1. Just did a 6:41,5 in the Ferrari 312T with default minus soft slicks, break balance and some camber/toe changes. Some guy on RSR did a 6:30 with this car, so i´m not that fast with that setup, but covered in sweat after six laps. Just one little crash in the first lap, because forgot: don´t touch the high curbs. This car is so much more fun than GT3 with about the same breaking points and corner speeds, but consumer wheels don´t have the FFB-range to feel enough what´s going on in these cars.

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  18. No matter how much money you spend to improve your rigs with a fancy direct drive wheel or on a 10 monitor setup, you will never get the full immersion of a real race car. Try simulating the g force through your chair, or implement a system to where if you crash, you will feel pain. There is no immersion when you can simply crash a car as many times you want without any consequences, plus you can get away with physics exploits and driving techniques that only works in sim racing, and not in real life.

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    1. No, it’s not the same like in a real race car, but a DD-wheel costs about one set of tyres for a real race car, some even less. And than there’s this sort of over immersion in real race cars I really don’t need.

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      1. DD wheels provide the least bang per buck of any of the improvements you can do to your rig. Triple screen can make you a better non-HUD/spotter racer. Load cell brakes will provide slightly better control over your braking inputs. A button box will allow you to mess with brake distribution or engine modes in a comfortable way. DD wheel doesn’t give any improvement over a good belt wheel, just “moar Powa” that you’ll never need.

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        1. Many CV1 owners sold their triple screen setups already and button boxes are useless with VR. Nearly ever DD-wheel owner will have decent break paddles already. And the difference between a well setup DD-wheel and a T300 is like having good sex vs jerking off.

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          1. You would be a fool to sell those triple screens to get a DD wheel. Or one of these n00bs that race with proximity arrows or a spotter. A proper peripheral view > slightly stronger FFB. Every time.

            Button boxes, depends what game you play, and what car you drive. Good luck if you drive a modern F1 car with just a regular rim and the buttons you get with it. To drive shitboxes it´s OK without it. Still, the improvement is there and easy to see in a lot of combos.

            The pedals are SO much more important than the wheel itself… especially the brake pedal. If you´re going to upgrade, look here first.

            On the last point, let´s disagree. You need to defend your choice because otherwise you would be the fool the threw away a bunch of money to scammers. A T300 or T500 with a game that provides good FFB, like rF2, feels just as good as a Accuforce Pro in 99% cars.

            I had the chance to try one in a racing museum and frankly, it´s far from the revolution some want to sell you, especially with modern cars, I would say it´s just the same. The motion simulator though, that was the shit. Not having the SoP feedback and the steering column feedback mixed together was just amazing.

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            1. I have a TX-wheel, an Accuforce and HE Pro pedals. TX/T300 have nice detailed FFB, but not reliable and FFB is fading when to much torque. The T500 isn´t that detailed, but a bit stronger. Both suffer from button issues after a while because of their shitty tube connection. The T300 has about 5 Nm torque, the v2 is 7,5 Nm and the Accuforce 13 Nm holding and 18 Nm peak torque. So when all consumer wheels are clipping, i´ve more than enough torque left for effects. Especially Formula cars and historic racing cars require this to drive them fast and safe. I was racing once a 5 lap VLN-race with the Lotus 72D in SRS and the only survivor from 18 cars in the starting grid without any contact. The AF was the game changer for this kind of cars. But with a probably low FFB-setup wheel in a museum it will be not that different.

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              1. Some guys are faster than me with a gamepad and some iRacing aliens probably don´t use load cells. You can go fast without that, but it will never feels like a real car and the same issue with consumer wheels when it comes to historic cars without power steering. And breaks in modern cars don´t need to be pushed with >30 kg, they are made for skinny women. So my advise is: If you have enough money, get the toughest and strongest gear. The total high end is double price with only minor advantages, but to buy cheap and end up expensive is just more money in the end.

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          2. What the fuck dude?

            Unless you move the fucking box someplace and promptly forget after putting on the HMD, you reach out and and just use the fucking thing.

            Guess what! You can also touch type, use your mouse, use a joystick, have a drink and use some fucking common sense to interact with your environment without a continuous visual feed.

            It’s not hard. You didn’t even take a second to decide if your argument made any goddamn sense.

            You’ve really convinced me that your DD wheel purchase was worthwhile….lol

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  19. Coming from a G27 when I first started, I’ve always said my Fanatec wheel hasn’t made me faster but the Fanatec pedals did for sure. If anyone was trying to find a way to get faster, replacing those crappy pedals is the best thing you can do. You can threshold brake and give tiny 5-10% adjustments on the fly while braking. With the G27, it was all about distance memory whereas with a loadcell, you can adjust the sensitivity to a point where you just smash on it and it will give you 80% braking all day.

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    1. I agree with this. I had a G25 with a GTEYE brake mod before and I couldn’t break my lap own lap records when I had a T3PA even with the brake mod. When I replaced the brake mod with a grip exercise ball I got from Walmart I easily beat my old records by around 1-2 seconds.

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  20. I started with a DFPro, followed by a G27. Sitting down to race is much more enjoyable since I’ve upgraded. With somebody being so into sim racing as to run this site, I imagine you just can’t afford better gear otherwise this toy racing hobby of yours that you spend so much time in your life digging into would be expanded upon.

    Also, as someone that has been passenger in at least 7 crashes I will gladly refuse that aspect of simulation. 😉

    The reason you aren’t getting a work out using your you steering wheel is because you are using a G series.
    Something higher end will in fact give you a work out. Sure, not like my track car since it has no power steering and a v8 plus gforces, but it sure gives a workout compared to my old g27.

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  21. My poor ass friend is trying to get into sim racing, I told him the fastest guys run madcat peripherals. He asked if he should get a stand, I responded by stating that madcats wheels are designed to be placed on the lap, but I don’t know if his dick will be able to hold it in place? He got all the gear to run a season but that poor undisciplined shit gave up after two weeks, stating the poor driving experience.

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  22. I agree with the general sentiment that gear doesn’t make you faster, but if you have a decent paying job and sufficient space, who gives a shit? Do I really need a 50″ TV? Could I play any game just fine on a weaker graphics card than a GTX 1080? Is it essential for me to have a kingsize bed to lie alone at night having crying wanks? Not really. But I have plenty of disposable income and can afford myself these luxuries. The material items give me more enjoyment than leaving the money in my bank account.

    Over the space of a few years I’ve gone from a driving force gt at a desk right through to a full fanatec setup in a rig, and I have tested – I can do the exact same laptimes with the DFGT, shit pedals and all, but I have more fun in the fancy rig, and that’s just the way it is.

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  23. firstly… LOL at the comments section. Honestly I come here for the comments since the articles are bullshit.

    Secondly, the article completely missed the point of people spending big cash of their hobby. Nobody spends that kind of money and not enjoy what they are doing.

    I spent 6months restoring old Sega touring car DX cabinets. Reverse engineering the rom, writing an emulated hardware interface to bring the whole machine back to life as a hybrid arcade and simracer . Did it make me faster… A little. Did I enjoy the fuck out of building it regardless of the $3500 it cost to build. Hell yes I did. So much that I built 2 more. No one plays on them. They’re still in the garage.. but it was a hobby and I loved every second of it.

    Now I drive on a G27 and I make my own performance upgrade products and yes it makes me faster. But it’s the learning experience and building that makes it a love for me.

    PRC completely missed the point of a hobby.

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    1. Very good point and look at the people who pimp up their cars and especially at tuning contests. Without spending 100k+ for something like an engine covered in gold you don´t get far. In a contest you probably can´t win even a fraction of the expenses.

      And in Sim Racing it´s very low cost compare to real cars and still: you pay more, you get more. It´s not that they are selling 5k gold-pedals for the shiny effect. Getting an OSW with Lenze and running high torque will even make you slower, but with the right setup it will be at least more fun than anything below and you probably a bit faster and more consistent with that. It´s not shifting ordinary racers like me into Aliens, but it helps to get a bit closer.

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  24. Just one more thing: There´s a cheaper way to get far more immersion than a DD-wheel: SimVibe. I still can´t understand how a majority can´t use it because it´s the motion rig of the poor. If i had no choice than to either cut down my SimVibe-setup (4 shakers, about 500 Euros with amplifier) or replace my Accuforce with a Fanatec v2. I would keep SimVibe.

    No way i want to drive without all the road feeling under my butt. It´s like cutting off one dimension even i don´t think it´s that useful in terms of lap times. But it´s so realistic and giving me so much more immersion. Even the motion-guys put as many transducers in their rigs because motion can´t replace SimVibe as well. You need more than FFB to replicate growling engines, stiff suspensions and the vibrations in a real race car when rubber get´s on the track. The butt is a very important thing in racing and four strong transducers under the seat are at least close to the real thing and pretty cheap. But one or two are way better than none. You never get real G-forces in a car, but the vibrations are sugar.

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    1. Didn’t you say that no one with a consumer wheel can beat you, yet you admit people who use gamepads beat your times?

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  25. I ran a 6:40.xxx with the parameters Anindobaj suggested.

    But I wasn’t satisfied with my first lap out of the box beating his benchmark, so I took aim at his La Ferrari lap instead.

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    1. hardly surprising, this guy obviously has no fucking clue what he’s doing considering the amount of shit he’s been posting for weeks. I mean this is the same guy who said camber wasn’t fucked up in Project Cars, and didn’t know there were setups in DIRT Rally…

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    2. That´s insane and second and third best were driving with soft slicks, but never wrote i´m anywhere near as fast as you. But i would be place 8 (RSR never worked here) and that´s for sure faster than average or assholes like lolobaj.

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      1. I don’t play ASimcade Corsa but I’m at least as fast if not faster than James. Also, FOV is another myth just like DD wheels. I actually do play with a mathematically correct FOV (triple screens) but before I had triples I used a complete wacko FOV on a 23″ monitor to get a decent amount of peripheral vision and guess what, my laptimes are the exact same either way.

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    3. By the way: running 60° vFOV with a PC-display (was it 24″ or 27″?) has no simulation value at all. You need a 55″ display very close to your eyes to run 60°. The Nordschleife you see is a narrow hillclimb road and has not much in common with the real one.

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      1. If you play with the mathematically correct fov with single monitor you get tunnel vision that doesn’t have much in common with real life.

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      2. As much as i think James knows shit about the matter at hand, you are doing nobody a favour by posting about anything simracing related.

        You’re slow as fuck, you bought an inferior product for double the price of an entry level OSW and you’re wasting it on kids games like AC and Pcars.

        To top things off you’re schooling us how a track you CLEARLY never been on looks like irl. How do i know? Because the actual Ring is more narrow than your sisters butthole and more “hilly” than any video game or youtube video will ever remotely show you.
        A narrow hillclimb road is exactly what it is in real life and not even a FOV of 600 will make it seem as intimidating in game as it really is the first time you ride it.

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        1. There´s was no race on Nordschleife i didn´t get podium, if some idiots don´t push me out, asshole. I was a co-driver at Nordschleife and know by myself how wide this track is in RL. It´s huge and nothing to do with a narrow Hillclimb-road.
          And i´m faster than cunts like you, that´s for sure. Never said i´m an alien and i´m far away i know, but much better than average like you i guess. Me and James are the only one posting lap times, so why assholes like you don´t prove you can keep up?

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          1. And please, beat my 312T lap time, because i said DD-wheels are far better with historic cars, not much with power steering GT-cars, by the way.

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          2. You are 10 seconds off pace and you still think you’re in a position to challenge people, it’s embarrassing.
            What does it prove if i beat a laptime that is SEVERELY off pace in a game for 12 year olds?
            The sooner you admit to yourself you got nothing to run your big mouth on, the better for your ego.

            You have not been on the Nordschleife, not sober at least. One of the narrowest tracks going over 20 km through the EIFFEL MOUNTAINS, has nothing to do with a hillclimb track, yeah right. Maybe you thought the GP track is Nordschleife, anything is possible if you’re delusional.

            Oh and now it’s the historic cars that you’re good in because “DD-wheel are far better with historic cars”, top kek once again. The faster the steering and lower the lock, the more advantage you get from the additional speed of a DD wheel.
            So it’s exactly the other way around, it’s easier to catch super grippy cars that require fast reactions with a DD-wheel but you get close to no advantage compared to a G27 in a car that requires bigger inputs with a huge lock.

            If you are going to take away anything from this conversation (i doubt it), let it be this:
            If you don’t have neither much talent, nor much knowledge, it might be a good idea to present yourself in a bit more modest fashion. Or just shut the fuck up before you dig an even bigger hole for yourself.

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            1. You have “asshole” tattooed on your forehead? This would improve your personality.
              Just won a race in SRS and there were faster people in front of me at the start, but if you can´t keep the pace over a race length, it´s not much worth it.

              And no, all consumer wheels are not able to be strong and fast enough with a bigger wheel size like 300 mm or more like in road cars. A T300 with 280 mm is okay, but don´t go wider. And the historic cars have just way more FFB dynamic like old analog recordings in the music. I don´t say i´m fast, but this cars are just way more fucking easy, fun and safe to drive with a DD-wheel.

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              1. winning races in pubbies or SRS is meaningless, go try competing in a proper organised league in iRacing or rFactor 2 and see how you do. The general standard of AC drivers is poor.

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                  1. first of all: lol no

                    second of all, I’m not talking about top split weekly races, I’m talking about proper organised league championships. A guy in my rf2 team wins top split races in iRacing all the time, he’s barely mid-pack in our rf2 league.

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                    1. Oh yeah, your super hyper Alien league is so much better than SRS. If you are that good, try it out and let´s see where you belong. I did league races with very good drivers in different sims and it´s not a matter of the title. With a tough competition every title is difficult to race, because everybody have the same advantages like an okay default setup which doesn´t need hours of setup-work an not exaggerate sensible cars like in rF2 quite often. When a sim is more easy to accomplish because it doesn´t need new bumper-settings and just some ARB, camber, aero-tweaks maybe spring-rate to get the car dialed in, you get more close races right away. Raceroom is a good example. You don´t gain much with the setup. AC in SRS needs already far more time to dial in a setup especially the Dallara F3. You like a brick on the track without the right setup.

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  26. Can these fast racers adapt well enough or even better to real grade pedals, wheel, and shifter in a sim? Also in a real race car your body (mostly the arms, legs, neck) is fighting with g forces. For example you may see a video of a race car where the driver is moving the steering wheel more, yet when driving the same car in the sim is smoother. Is because the car on track is making your arms or torso react a bit differently to the forces than at home.

    So if you put a fast racer in a sim with normal (toy) hardware and then with hardware that replicates better the stuff in the car, can he be as good, better, or even lose some performance?

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  27. The effort put into the first two paragraphs claiming that hes not jealous of people with DD wheels just reeks of maximum jealously. Could have just left it out of the article considering it hardly had anything to do with the actual topic.

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  28. I rate this comment section 9/11. The shilling from DD wheel owners trying to justify their choice to escape the fact they were scammed was awesome. Graphics could be better tho.

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