URD Meets Automobilista

ams-2016-09-20-17-47-18-05Reiza Studios may not have intended for Automobilista to be used as a modding platform, but payware third party content team UnitedRacingDesign have released their first project for the Brazilian developer’s newest title, bringing out the Chevrolet Corvette C7.R for yet another PC racing simulator. Already found in both rFactor 2 and Assetto Corsa, the C7R for Automobilista is the first legitimate GT-spec race car available for Reiza’s most prominent game, as the comprehensive GT3 mod uploaded earlier this summer by the European Endurance Center relies heavily on ripped car models from software such as Real Racing 3 and Shift 2 Unleashed.

ams-2016-09-20-17-46-20-04If you’ve already tried this car for another modern simulator, the C7.R in Automobilista isn’t exactly a new experience. Built by the same team, with presumably the exact same data, the vehicle as it appears and drives in both rFactor 2 and Assetto Corsa exhibits largely the same handling characteristics as it does in Automobilista. Glued to the racing surface and willing to obey even the most precise of steering inputs, the C7.R is an American GT entry in appearance, but graced with European ingenuity under the bodywork. Failing to adequately keep the power produced by the mammoth V8 in check is a quick way to loop the car, but any idiot with a steady right foot can turn acceptable laps with this thing provided they eschew the horrid default setup URD have packaged the car with. Use THIS if you’re having difficulties.

ams-2016-09-20-17-45-38-10Only featuring four liveries, there isn’t much racing to be done with this car inside of Automobilista; I assume URD instead want this release to function as a teaser for the inevitable Endurance GT payware pack – most likely including rival GTE entries such as the SRT Viper, Ferrari 458 Italia, and BMW Z4, albeit under clever monikers to avoid obvious copyright infringement.It’s only a matter of time until URD pull the trigger and unleash this package into the hands of the general public.

The question which now remains is if sim racers will want to purchase the same exact payware mod three times, just to drive the exact same cars and exact same liveries within a slightly different piece of software. While the 2013 Endurance GT carset has been routinely deemed a must-have purchase for rFactor 2, and highly recommended for anyone’s Assetto Corsa install, there’s something different about what this content would mean for Automobilista. The fanboys will most likely say otherwise, but Steamcharts indicates Reiza’s new game is basically dead on arrival, even after a mammoth crowdfunding campaign and lengthy Early Access program – and Reiza themselves have admitted Automobilista is merely a stopgap game before a project they’ve code-named Reiza2017.

Is it excessive for the guys at URD to keep rehashing the same mod over and over again for no less than three separate games? I believe so. In the past I had no problem with new mods continuously being converted from one platform to another – it was not uncommon to see a project released for rFactor cleaned up and ported over to GTR Evolution within a week, if not on the day of release. However, as the gap between the launch of each new major racing simulator increases (those who bought Assetto Corsa in 2013 probably saved up enough in three years to buy Automobilista in 2016), and the respective communities of each individual game overlap with one another, I’m definitely left wondering how far this concept will be taken.

You can make the argument that fantastic CART Factor package was also a rehashed mod, but at least people didn’t have to pay for it. Sure, the URD GT cars are of a high enough quality that it’s at least understandable to place them behind a paywall, but I certainly don’t want to be buying them for a fourth time when Reiza2017 launches next year.

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46 thoughts on “URD Meets Automobilista

  1. Funny iRenters paid mthly n rented 4 an obsolete c6r gt car in iRenting. I dont get it how EBox can shill this scam renting online game.

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  2. I don’t own neither rF2 nor AC. I would purchase the EGT pack within a second if released for Automobilista. The same thing if they decide to do that awesome Formula Pack for AM as well. But I do understand the point James makes on the article, I don’t know if I would purchase the same exact mod for the 3rd time.

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    1. Well i own AC and rF2 but i wouldn’t buy URD mods for them.. On the other hand i would consider getting it for AMS.. Partially because AMS is doing lot of things better than those, partially cause that is class we are missing and likely never get in AMS

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  3. Its true, Why buy a Mod for rFactor when that’s all it is really ? No matter what name goes on it, GSC2011, GSC2013 GSC Extreme now AMS.
    Most payware mods can be ported from rF to AMS easily with the Converter tool and then change a few lines in the veh file.

    Least with iRacing you can get in a server with 40+ ppl and run, How many servers are going to be up with this URD car ?

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    1. “Most payware mods can be ported from rF to AMS easily with the Converter tool and then change a few lines in the veh file.”

      Which means nothing other than its a physics engine that uses the same input data in the same format for the most part. What the engine outputs is different however. That’s how computer models work – data input can be identical, data output is unique to the engine.

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    2. With all those changes to physics engine conversion is not as straight forward and simple as it was in gsc case… Also calling it just rFactor is not really true after recent updates…

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      1. Judging by what Niels said, there are some mistakes in the rF code that force making of mods not as straightforward as putting RL info into the files.

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  4. When payware mods like these start crossing into other simulators I think the creators need to create a “bulk” purchase type thing. I’m not sure what the GT3 mod costs in rF2 or AC because I haven’t looked but for example you could do $20 for access in one sim, $30 for 2 sims and $40 for all three. Instead of making people pay the full $20 to access it for each game even though it’s technically the same content.

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    1. It would probably be smart to have some sort of upgrade from the single version price that’s less than the cost of two purchases to access all three.

      It would also encourage simmers to try other sims they might not be too keen on. The sim community needs to be less monotheistic. I think every sim of this generation has something to offer, even if I think one or another does it best among them.

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  5. Finally, something reasonable coming out from James. Indeed URD needs to at least think up a system of discounts for those who already bought some of their stuff.

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      1. It is boring indeed, but at least it’s not full of usual ridiculous and off-topic stuff like KS robbing children of their childhood and other nonsense.

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  6. I like how they never mention that they only have one AC physics guy and he has nothing to do with the rF2 mod physics guys and also has no idea what he’s doing. Their AC mods are ludicrously disappointing.

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    1. And with AMS physics they get help from Renato apparently.. Well it is not up to ams stock content physics, ffb or sounds standard (visuals are probably better than reiza do) but still very much playable

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      1. Well I think the help is probably making sense of the physics engine. Porting to a totally different game usually works better if someone who knows it inside out can give you some pointers.

        Its also not the first time Renato or other has helped modders make adjustments to mod cars. Makes sense since Reiza are just modders gone pro. I think its just their nature as ex modders.

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  7. No I won’t buy it 3 times for 3 seperate games.
    The only reason that I play AMS is because of all those awesome little Brazilian tracks that are in no other game and most stock content is pretty cool.

    I can race big GT cars on Silverstone in pretty much any sim and most of them do a better job at that.

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  8. “but any idiot with a steady right foot can turn acceptable laps with this thing provided they eschew the horrid default setup URD have packaged the car”

    You’re so full of shit, so unbelievably full of shit… until you start to actually try to not shit post about everything. When you’re being upbeat about stuff you’re great. You even use good diction like “eschew”.

    Wish more of PRC was solid simmer thoughts from the perspective of a long time simmer and sometime real world racer and a whole lot less of this Sim Racing’s version of the Daily Mail. It would also lend more credibility to the shit posting.

    So lets get to the shit —

    “The fanboys will most likely say otherwise, but Steamcharts indicates Reiza’s new game is basically dead on arrival, even after a mammoth crowdfunding campaign and lengthy Early Access program – and Reiza themselves have admitted Automobilista is merely a stopgap game before a project they’ve code-named Reiza2017.”

    The problem with your evaluation of the product of Automobilista is that you’re acting like its meant to be something that it isn’t. The title isn’t dead on arrival, even if the public lobby multiplayer is. AMS is basically a preview of a lot of the direction their next release is going funded by the crowdfunding from the loyal fans. The product isn’t a flagship for the future, its as your say the intermediate product that ties off the existing development stream that never would have happened if the community that isn’t dead hadn’t paid Reiza to do it.

    Reading steam spy numbers isn’t a reflection of the health of the game, just the health of the game for what you expect a game to be which is not what everyone wants it to be. Sorry, but your multiplayer elitism is just colouring your judgment, which is poor when you get into the negative mode most of the time. What your steam spy numbers don’t show you is how many players log on a few times a month for their regular club and league races. Expecting it to perform like a console mainstream release is silly.

    Reiza is tapping a niche and the niche is there obviously. It doesn’t have to exceed its niche to be successful. That’s like judging an indie film against the gross of other big budget films. What matters is the gross next to the cost of development and the intended sales. Reiza seem comfortable enough with that data to plough on with their own DLC and licensing and even acquiring laser scan data. Does that seem like the behavior of a dev team with a product in dire straights?

    Its a business and its apparently profitable enough to encourage ongoing development while satisfying the customers. That’s called success to anyone but you apparently.

    “You can make the argument that fantastic CART Factor package was also a rehashed mod”

    Making this argument would be stupid. Its not rehashed since it wasn’t just a shitty conversion but was a proper rework. Everything from the physics to the sounds got a rework and as Reiza updates their physics engine the mod gets better such as with those useless ECU updates (as you called them) leading to an immediate update to include new throttle maps onto these cars that were notoriously hard to drive in the sim given the throttle response and the torque. Well… now its better. Is that a rehash? Is your definition of a rehash anything that isn’t completely new, regardless of development done in the meantime?

    For a counterpoint to my previous mention of good diction on your part the definition of a rehash is something brought forward again with little appreciable alteration. That does not define the nature of the CART Factor mod as found in AMS today.

    Too bad, more sloppy shit to fill the negative bent of an article. It seems to be your pattern. EVERYTHING however good will always be turned into the negative. I can’t remember the last time you posted anything purely positive or neutral. Always it leads to the negative.

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  9. Nobody is going to put a gun to your head and make you buy it. I don’t understand the complaint, seems more like complaining just for the sake of it.

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  10. ” the vehicle as it appears and drives in both rFactor 2 and Assetto Corsa exhibits largely the same handling characteristics as it does in Automobilista. Glued to the racing surface and willing to obey even the most precise of steering inputs”

    Didn’t you say something along the lines of, sim racing games like to make race cars feel unstable and hard to control when in reality they aren’t. At what point does it go from,simulation to simade ?

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  11. i love ripped and stolen content. long live piracy

    GTREvo Nords, EEC GT3, HistorX Mod for AMS,
    AC Nords,Imola,Brands,Catalunya and stolen EGT+PX Classes for rf2…also the setupguide by that one guy who tried to sell a pdf that was free before…lol

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  12. Crooked Hillary is the most corrupt person ever to get this close to becoming president of the United States. There is only one place she belongs and it certainly isn’t in the White House.

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  13. I’ve the EGT mod for rF2 and AC and both are different. Modern car physics are better in AC and don’t buy the handling of rF2 anymore. AMS could be in the middle. More difficult than AC, but not exaggerate like in rF2. People who bought both will probably get a discount or even for free.

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    1. “Modern car physics are better in AC and don’t buy the handling of rF2 anymore.”

      In other words, you cant drive for shit,you find AC easier, you think you a great driver so AC being easy= realism…

      Get…the….fuck….out.

      You AC fuckrtards constantly trying to paint RF2 as harder than it is is just fucking retarded, why would they do that? does the racing industry that uses exclusively ISI tech feel the same? or just random AC fuck boys?

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  14. AC is rubbish pure rubbish. THe URD cars are too easy to drive but at the same time make for goo MP racing as the car helps even the field somewhat so that dorks can think they are fast.

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  15. Isn’t the Corvette a free download from Race Department?

    What’s the big deal if URD are trying to mod from AMS; looks to me like it’s URD trying AMS modding with the one car and reading the community reactions which on RD have been positive.

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