Sim Racing Sugar Babies?

gangi-1I shouldn’t have to be making an entry into our Intenet Safety category this early into the week, but alas, here we are. Just as John Sabol and Billy Strange Jr. over at Inside Sim Racing were really starting to revive the once-prominent sim racing news outlet from an awkward period of time in which Darin Gangi’s public spats with numerous sim racing personalities stole the spotlight away from the website’s actual content, and restore a bit of the brand’s former glory with solid commentary pieces and critical analysis of modern racing simulators, it appears the crew are right back at square one with their most recent announcement. Tapping into the concept behind an excursion that the former host of ISR may or may not have dabbled in away from the slick Sim Racing YouTube production of years past, Inside Sim Racing’s newest venture will allow you to pay triple digits for a one-hour Teamspeak session, Skype conversation, or traditional phone call with either Darin Gangi or John Sabol. And if you fancy to talk to them a bit longer… Well.. That will cost extra.

In my opinion, the concept of the whole thing is just really strange, but let’s at least read what they intend the service to be used for before we tear into them.

consultancyThey’re calling it Inside Sim Racing’s Consultant Service, where in exchange for at least $100 USD, plus $50 for every additional hour of their time you want to waste, you’re given free reign to sit on Skype with Darin Gangi or John Sabol and basically ask them for any sim racing advice that comes to mind – whether it be how to learn a particular car that’s giving you trouble, the steps to calibrating your new wheel, or getting them to walk you through installing a mod for Assetto Corsa – nothing is off limits.

Sorry, this is literally insane. Inside Sim Racing want to put a hefty price tag on the act of going to Reddit’s sim racing section – or virtually any sim racing message board – and asking a simple question, as if they’re sugar babies being paraded around on Dr. Phil and genuinely believe an hour of their time on Skype is somehow worth $100 USD. I get that a lot of people call us the cancer of the sim racing community for publishing lengthy autistic tirades about a NASCAR game making Jimmie Johnson’s Chevrolet Impala the wrong shade of blue, but charging upwards of $100 to talk to some guy on the internet about which racing simulator you should purchase next week rips straight into financial domination territory. I get that the resident sim dads among us don’t know any better and have far too much disposable income just waiting to be thrown away, but anyone who genuinely thinks this is a good idea need to step away from the computer screen for a few moments. These guys are selling 60 minute Skype dates starting at $100, and they’re being dead serious about it, while pretending they’re a legitimate sim racing news outlet that’s intended to benefit the average sim racer. We at least operate under the title of “the worst site you could possibly visit for sim racing news” and don’t take ourselves too seriously. What’s ISR’s excuse?

jjSupposedly, the reason for this is that team are overwhelmed by questions from their viewers regarding how complicated this genre is, and desperately need a way to reduce the amount of private messages loading up their inboxes on a daily basis. While I’m not privy to the exact view count numbers the Inside Sim Racing forums and YouTube videos receive – so my analysis may not be accurate – I can say that we have a very substantial following that’s beyond anything you would imagine for this genre, and the amount of emails I receive, whether it be Reader Submissions to be published on the site, or just general queries about the genre, is never overwhelming to the point where I need to charge people three figures for the time it took to respond to them. Our genre is not big enough nor popular enough to create a situation where emails are literally flying in to the editor of a website, and I can’t physically get to them all. This is sim racing, not Call of Duty or FIFA.

Not only that, but our Teamspeak server is open to the public, free of charge. Many of the individuals who have stopped by to ask a quick question, discuss a recent article, or merely shoot the shit with us, have turned into guys that show up on a nightly basis just to hang out. I pay for both the website and the Teamspeak server out of my own pocket; there is not a scenario I can fathom where I’d need to charge people $100 for a Skype date with myself, Dustin, or Sev, and claim it’s for “upkeep of the website.”Β  So not only do I believe it’s totally unreasonable to put this kind of a price tag on mere sim racing advice, I have a hard time believing it costs this much to run an outlet such as Inside Sim Racing. I do it myself, and it’s basically nothing. Granted, we don’t have the YouTube program, but when Thrustmaster is shelling out several thousands to place their products on your show, I’d assume you wouldn’t need to beg your viewers for more.

screenhunter_4It’s so absurd and preposterous that I’d actually like to be proven wrong in this instance, and for someone like John or Darin to show up in the comments section with a screenshot of 200 unread emails in their inbox as a way to justify this new endeavor. To me, however, this just looks like they’re trying to monetize their role in the world of sim racing to an extent that puts them on par with a troubled woman on Dr. Phil – rather than contribute to the community in a meaningful manner, they’re subtly trying to exploit a a vulnerable group of rookie sim racers by slapping a ridiculous price tag on questions that they might not even be aware several free online communities can answer in five minutes, such as “what wheel should I purchase” or “what’s the proper steering rotation for an F1 car?”

There’s simply no need for this, and as much as I take being the most hated man in sim racing in stride – maybe even play up on it a bit to provoke a portion of our readers into losing their minds – it’s pathetic how we are sometimes blamed for the destruction of the sim racing scene, while sites like Inside Sim Racing are now charging upwards of $100 for a Skype date, and announcing it like this is somehow a good thing you’ll willingly want to spend money on.

And that’s before we talk about what their advice may actually contain. When companies such as Thrustmaster are putting down thousands of dollars to advertise on Inside Sim Racing’s YouTube channel and website, do you really think Sabol or Gangi are going to give you an accurate piece of advice if you drop the $100 and ask them what piece of hardware you should purchase?

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Of course not.

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106 thoughts on “Sim Racing Sugar Babies?

  1. Of course, the logical thing to do when you’re “overwhelmed with messages” is offer an HOUR OR MORE of your time to individual people instead.

    I’ve seen some shit in this hobby, but this is fucking next-level. I pray nobody falls for this scam.

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  2. You’re selling an ebook to give advice for how people should configure their sims, the wheel, what to buy, driving advices and setup. Something Black Flag. Why couldn’t you give this for free after the work you put in?

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    1. It probably takes more effort to write and put together a book than it does to talk to someone on skype, and the book only costs $7, while these skype calls are $100. I have not and would not pay for either, but there are differences.

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      1. Is the same thing actually, you need to do research and share your knowledge about different things in sim racing, and both cost time and patience. Who wants to do it alone or together with the community won’t buy the ebook nor ask ISR. Same stuff, just different price tags and mediums of reaching the customer.

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      2. Not when you’ve spoken to hundreds of people on Skype, writing an ebook that took 2 weeks to write and no doubt thats exaggerated isn’t a hard task and it has zero integration with customers, it would be so easy its not funny.
        What ISR is doing here is offering a hell of a lot more than James has with Black Fag.

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        1. So are ISR giving you free Skype dates? Is that why you feel compelled to defend them? That’s adorable.

          If you honestly think they have, or will, speak to hundreds of people on Skype, at $100 an hour, you’re dead wrong. And if you think putting together any book is easier than that, well, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.

          Austin’s ebook is reasonably priced. This Skype thing is not. If these guys were really interested in helping the community, they’d find another way.

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          1. People would complain or make fun about this skype thing no matter the price. I bet you’d mock them even harder if they were to charge $7.

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      1. BWAHAHAHA ‘something like 2 and a half weeks to complete’, bwahahahaha, pure gold, what a huge effort James.

        2 and a half weeks to complete, BWAHAHAHAHAHAGA, mate don’t you think $7 is a bit much for it then, this is the funniest shit I’ve ever heard.

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              1. Well you’d be up for a shit load of hate crime james lol, playing the hate crime is pathetic from even you, so is stooping to put up private information which you always do when you are throwing your toys out of the cot, talking about anal cavities along with another 50 blokes on here is hardly a hate crime.
                But i suppose in Canada everything is a crime hahaha

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                  1. LOL James i think you’ve just demonstrated that those 650k of people that their personal information is not safe with you or this site, that includes sponsors, everybody, your thinly veiled threats are very poor form even from you James, this is not the first time you’ve published personal details and im sure it won’t be the last no doubt lol

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                    1. If some of you took a little more time away from toy racing to learn some things you’d understand that in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, autonomy is not synonymous with unrestricted freedom. That’s quite possibly the case in many countries.

                      Translated; At the point that what you are doing, even in the privacy of your own home, adversely affects or infringes on those around you, then you not free to do as you please.

                      As for some freak posting the equivalent of snuff videos, that’s just messed up and crosses a line. Many lines really.

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                    2. Not from there either. It’s called an education. Learning politics, foreign policies, geo-politics, sociology, economics/microeconomics. You know, how the world really works.

                      Not believing everything you read from zero cred hacks, who present themselves in an articulate manner, sound like they are informed and educated but have underlying agendas or mask deplorability.

                      You’ve modeled yourself after someone and emanate their style very well Ogonoski. It’s unfortunate you’ve chosen such an insidious excuse for a human as you have.

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                    3. “Not from there either. It’s called an education. Learning politics, foreign policies, geo-politics, sociology, economics/microeconomics. You know, how the world really works.”

                      The world works in no way. They want the world to work that way.

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    2. they already offer phone sex on craigs list. James’ # is on there right beside Ian Bells.
      Looks like Gangis joined the list.

      Sadly winter is here and there is shrinkage.

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  3. This is definitely one of the more ridiculous things I’ve ever heard of in sim racing. These ISR guys are just a bunch of nerds with too much time and money on their hands, and I’ve seen nothing to indicate they possess any knowledge that cannot be found for free elsewhere. Fuck them. The sad thing is some sucker (probably more than one, actually) is going shell out the $100+ for this.

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    1. I’ve only ever heard them regurgitate things they read from reddit or the official game forums or something.
      They’re basically saying, “I’ll Google that for you for $100/hr.”

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  4. As a serious side question, will you guys ever switch domain providers? This wordpress thing is basic as shit and this awful comments section could be fixed with something like Disqus even.

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  5. This idea would have worked if it were Jessica on the line.

    Topless

    Maybe there’s a handful of gay sim racers interested in an online chat with those dudes though.
    Insanity really though.

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  6. I would have been so blessed to have them help me when i was making my sim rig. Man Im going to ask Domino’s for next months pay to Do this.

    Ill let you know how there service is

    Once again So blessed!

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  7. If it were James doing this it would be the bargain of the century and you’d be a fool not to be with Austin on skype. But since this is ISR being entrepreneurs, all hell breaks loose.

    Why are you worried with something that you think it won’t succeeded? Oh right, you’re just passing judgment.

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    1. I once asked james to, provide a service where tutors sim racers ‘in need’. He declined and wrote black flag. As for what ISR is doing…theyre just in it for the money and i cant fault them for that seeing as theyre most popular sim racing channel on youtube, gotta take advantage of that. they probably get a lot of these ‘questions’ and are gonna try to make money on it.

      the problem i believe james has with this is that, it would do the community better he didnt charge for it.

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      1. The problem I have in particular is their asking price in relation to the service they are providing.

        It doesn’t cost any money to hop on RaceDepartment’s Teamspeak, or our Teamspeak, and hang out for an evening bullshitting with whoever shows up. It also doesn’t cost any money to create a Reddit account and have your sim racing related questions answered by at least ten people in less than ten minutes. Neither of these options are very difficult to pursue, either.

        But charging $100 – more than the cost of a twelve month iRacing subscription – for a random Skype session with what at the end of the day is just another fellow sim racer… Dude, just no.

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        1. verbally abuse them for one of his meltdowns and you record it. Put it on Utubes? Ya maybe 100 Canadian is a little steep since you get that regularly on the iracing forums.

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  8. JAMES, What is the difference between selling ones time one on one for money, and you selling your ebook called Black Flag (name stolen from Henry Rollins) where all the homoerotic contents can be found on Reddit for free?
    Are you serious?

    They are selling their actual time, $50 an hour is very fair if people want to spend it, you are selling just copies of crap thats already on the net.

    He’s offering a better deal than you, a personal experience thats catered for the buyer.

    Once again you’re attacking the community, even attacking them because they are sponsored by thrustmaster lol, you are a funny guy james

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      1. Now, honestly, what are we doing?

        Sim Racing
        Black Flagging
        Blue Flagging
        Shitposting
        Good Commenting

        OR [][][][][][][][][][][][][] PING PONG!?

        You decide. ‘Cause I’m not Vettel.

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  9. These fucktwits sure arent helping with the whole “simracing is dying” thing. Fucking hell how goddamn autistic do you have to be ? Between idiots like that, salty devs and tryhard shills who cant drive things are looking a bit grim. Golden age my ass.

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  10. This is funny,you can’t compare $100 to $7 guys,like has been said the manchilds at isrtv will just Google and regurgitate what that read.

    It’s clear from watching them for years that they don’t really have a clue on the basics,they have to ask their own member base most of the time.

    $100 dollars my ass,this is just fucking dumb,but there will probably be plenty of idiots that idolize these 2 and will gladly pay for them to search Google

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  11. I’ve watched their weekly show a few times, where they answer questions from the chat, and I didn’t get the impression that they were overwhelmed at any point. People mostly ask them things they’ve already said, or want advice to choose between two wheels but are too lazy to go watch the full reviews they upload to their channel.

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  12. I hope this upset someone with some tasty info about ISRTV that send it to PRC. Because lets face it, PRC is probably the only blog that would write about shit like that.

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      1. Hired him or keeps him hostage? Dude looks terrified any time he’s in the same room as Gangi

        John blink twice if you need rescue

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  13. “A Minnesota mall’s decision to hire its first-ever black Santa has resulted in an appalling racist backlash.”

    Why would anybody think it’s ok to hire a black man to play a character that’s clearly white?

    Caucasians invented Santa. It’s white culture, it’s not up for debate and you’re lucky we let non-whites take part in the celebration at all.

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    1. What is the problem of putting an african or asian to make santa for the kids instead of an european? Are the whites scared that it will ruin the shopping industry that is christmas? What does it matter what a kid learns how santa looks. Oh no, you’re ruining our christmas fantasy.

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    2. You’re obviously trolling but I find the whole thing ridiculous given that santa isn’t real and thus isn’t actually any race. Fuck Christmas anyway it’s just a stressful time of year where you have to buy a bunch of shit for people you have to pretend to like.

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      1. You are obviously retarded on top of miserable, or perhaps just a postmodernist cocksucking nigger (same thing really). Santa Claus is a cultural icon with several clearly defined attributes, and you don’t get to handwave them all away just because you feel like being an edgy contrarian faggot on the internet. By that “logic” we could disregard every literary character ever created, because not being real they have no race, no gender, no age, nothing. This may come as a surprise, but the rest of the world doesn’t operate under (((Marvel))) rules, where characters are just hollow husks used to sell toys and push the agenda of the day, so normal people will keep getting pissed every time you fuck with their traditions.

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        1. And for what matters all this fantasy and “cultural icons”? You can’t live your life without being dependent on the culture you grew up? Santa Claus is no different than all the religious characters ever created.

          Real life isn’t real life since we’re all living in fantasy stories and society characters. Real life in human/animal perspective is food, water, shelter, procreation. Everything else is fantasy for passing time until we grow old and die. I’m not being pessimistic.

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        2. “characters are just hollow husks used to sell toys and push the agenda of the day”

          But that pretty much describes Santa Claus? The modern western version of Santa is a localized bastardization of various regional legends that’s portrayal is constantly shifting to fit the commercial climate of the day. If we were following traditions you would have been getting your presents yesterday from some black face motherfucker who came on a boat from Spain.

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  14. Modern Germany is a police state with no order. It’s a place where groups of Arabs and blacks can gang-rape a 14-year-old girl without seeing a day in prison, at the same time that an 87-year-old grandmother is shipped away to a gulag for 2 1/2 years for saying she never saw evidence of Jews being systematically killed at Auschwitz during her life in the Third Reich.

    When will this madness end?

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  15. from what i’ve seen the isrtv shills aren’t even competent simracers to begin with. why would anyone listen to anything they say, let alone pay for it?

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  16. This seems like excellent service for newcomers to sim racing like myself, I scheduled an 2 hour appointment with Mr. Gangi, he seems like a real sim racing professional and I’m sure I can greatly benefit from his knowledge.

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  18. Nobody get forced to buy their service, so what? And people who are stupid enough to buy this, deserve the financial loss, but probably donΒ΄t give a shit.

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  19. By the way: Darin seems more interested in Shooters these days. He never tried a mod or even Porsche in AC, no AMS, Raceroom, pCars whatsoever, but very high skilled in Fallout and Battlefield 1. Even just bought a second GTX 1070 just for his Shooter-PC. I donΒ΄t think he can give advice to any other Sim than iRacing.

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    1. Then he’s basically like James. He keeps writing articles about various sim racing games and their updates but he never tries in first person. He only posts something when he finds that someone reported a bug or someone complained about something. Then goes like, “see, this game has bugs and complaints, devs never listen to criticism.” But then I ask, where do the improvements and bug fixes come from if not for devs reading what people report and give feedback? Then he comes “but devs never do the things I want, therefore all the fixes and improvements so far are meaningless, they only work on things I don’t care about”. Welcome to prc mentality and pretending to be impartial and pretending to help sim racing games.

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      1. Are you seriously implying I don’t play what I talk about?

        In the past month:

        – won R2P’s Baja 500.
        – won four full length offline pCars races
        – took photos of my own experiences with R3E’s busted online play
        – spent over 20 hours in Brick Rigs before reviewing it
        – currently slugging my way through driveclub
        – became the admin of a private rFactor 2 league at the local sim cafe
        – reviewed Automobilista

        Thats in the span of a month.

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      2. James is certainly not up to date. Always this “Kunos banning forum-members for critic” is just bullshit and seems they got far more relaxed on this, maybe thanks to him…:) But not the 919 has a problem with understeering, the 962 and GT1 have it comparing lap-times and at least two uncensored threads about that issue, which are flagged as an issue so they know it. If you have a problem with a car and can proof it, itΒ΄s more likely you get a patch than a ban for that. Just drive the Yellowbird these days. The handling was shit, than less shit, than shit again, but now i think itΒ΄s perfect even with tyre model 7.

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        1. And by the way: If you want improved physics in Raceroom, you need to buy the latest model for the same price you bought the older ones (often the very same cars in real physics). The DTM Mercedes, both new Audis and the KTM are certainly better in FFB than the others.

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  20. site is shit. Please get back to the good stuff. Ian we need PGuttless#2. Stephano James needs the deuce.

    rf2 needs simulation value. Iracing, well Iracing nerver changes.

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  21. Here are the Skype calls:

    Consumer – Dude, which wheel/pedals should I get?
    Darin – How much money you have?
    Consumer – I’m rich bitch
    Darin – Ok, I recommend the CXC Motion Pro, starting at 75k.
    Consumer – Sounds great. Here is my CC number

    another customer:

    Consumer – Dude, which wheel/pedals should I get?
    Darin – How much money you have?
    Consumer – Mom gave me like 400 for my birthday.
    Darin – Ok, get a Trustmaster set.
    Consumer – Sounds great.

    another customer:

    Consumer – Should I get transducers?
    Darin – I love the vibration. How much money you have?
    Consumer – I have 500 left from my wife’s allowance.
    Darin – Sweet. Get 6 transducers, 2 extra soundcards and Simvibe
    Consumer – Sounds great.

    I get trying to customize software may take some time but $100 for an hour is quite ridiculous

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  22. I am brand new to sim racing.

    I bought a fanatec CSR wheel+pedals and a thrustmaster TH8RS shifter on eBay for $300. I was told to get used to 2006 graphics if I wanted any significant number of cars and tracks to race on, so I got GTR2 for $8 on steam. After patching my game to get my Porsches and Ferraris back I am now having the time of my life.

    Someone pay me $100 now

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