Time to Reform the Culture of Cringe?

iracingIn writing pieces under the Internet Safety category here at PRC.net, I often find myself questioning just how far off-the-rails this community will become before we hit rock bottom, which will hopefully begin the process of rebuilding everything from the ground up if we ever get to that point. Look, video games are a sizeable portion of my life, to the point where I’m able to genuinely enjoy the day-to-day activities and supplementary income of running a simple WordPress blog regarding my favorite obscure little genre, but there are moments where both myself, as well as my close friends, simply shake our heads at what’s unfolding on the computer monitor. I’ve loved race cars since I was a little kid, and I love the challenges presented by racing simulators both past and present, but very similar to the predicament My Little Pony enthusiasts found themselves in a few years ago, it’s difficult to show off what the sim racing community is about to an outsider, and say“I willingly subject myself to this because I think it’s cool.”

Once a month, somebody sends in a Reader Submission to my inbox discussing the sorry state of the sim racing community, and I have to confess I don’t always publish them – though I do my best to respond in private. We received an Email the other day from a fairly talented Australian karting personality, and messages like the one he had written to us have become so routine at this point it wasn’t even worth posting. If you take a step back and examine this hobby as a whole, there’s some really weird stuff going on. Many of our biggest critics and disbelievers like to claim the outlandish man-children we occasionally profile on PRC.net do not represent the majority of sim racers, but the reality is that you literally can’t help but run into them.

244210_20161220182753_1This poses a very real problem, because gaming is no longer an isolated experience. To get the most out of racing simulators, especially the current crop of games which center around the social element of joining online leagues or mingling with other sim racers within the several different online communities, you’re forced to talk to people. And sometimes, you end up realizing these people are exceptionally hard to get along with, or they’re outright delusional. Even worse, nobody seems to have the balls to say “dude, you’re being a bit weird right now, stop this shit.”

If you go on the Assetto Corsa forums and suggest that the console version of the game isn’t very good, PC owners camping out on the entirely separate section dedicated solely for console gamers – whose game was very different compared to the PC version – will jump to the game’s defense, and label you as a someone who signed up just to be a troll. Prior to the release of Project CARS, you couldn’t talk openly about the game’s potential faults without one of the alleged 30,000+ financial investors belittling you and babbling on in an infomercial-like manner. It’s a very difficult environment to feel accepted in; as if you’re attempting to meet new friends at work so you can bullshit about hockey, and every second person is a Jehovah Witness whom immediately try and persuade you to come to Bible study.

And that’s before we touch on some of the more bizarre topics of discussion that arise on a weekly basis, such as how a group of older men from an obscure NASCAR game will stalk you or your female coworkers if you create a better Photoshop template than them, or how an iRacer we’ve been asked not to name listed iRacing as his career when applying for a substantial loan at his local bank. We can’t go out and confirm that story with names – because I can assure you the teller would be fired almost instantly – but yeah, that happened.

It all produces an extremely toxic environment. Yes, most of us have been desensitized to it by now, whether it be due to the numerous PRC.net articles shining a light on all the insanity, or soaking it all in first-hand through monitoring every major message board, but at the end of the day, the community is the reason sim racing isn’t growing at the rate of other genres. The reason I’m not all that excited to introduce any of my close friends or fellow competitors to the world of sim racing, is because most normal people would nope the fuck out of there after a mere glimpse of this insanity.

We had a guy threatening to shoot up his local university because people banned him from an rFactor league. There was once a convicted rapist commentating iRacing events. Some guy put himself in financial peril to build a sim rig he can’t even see thanks to his virtual reality headset. Real drivers are awkwardly approached by individuals seeking a test session in their car just because they beat them in an online race. Guys are auctioning off pictures of their iRacing cars on eBay. To an outsider who just wants to dive into the forums as they would with any other video game, and meet potential competitors the good old fashioned way, this is all really fucking weird; no sane person would willingly subject themselves to this for any extended period of time.

screenshot_ks_mazda_mx5_cup_ks_brands_hatch_20-12-116-21-13-27What needs to happen, is a reform of sorts for the sim racing community. As much as you guys enjoy coming here on your lunch breaks at work to watch the shitshow unfold each time we profile someone making an ass of themselves, it really shouldn’t have to come to that in the first place. We’re only doing it because everyone else is too much of a chickenshit to enact basic social moderation policies. There shouldn’t have been a stalking ring over on Sim Racing Design, nor should young adults be listing their career as iRacing when applying for a loan at the bank, but because nobody is thinking long-term about how this could possibly affect people’s perceptions of their genre, and nobody wants to say “bro, you’re being a bit ridiculous here”, suddenly we have an article on PRC.net up about a guy going into the ARCA garage area and handing out pictures of his iRacing car in hopes of landing a ride.

If there isn’t a collective effort to reform the genre and make it approachable to newcomers, you’ll end up with a collection of stories even more embarrassing than these, and those contemplating becoming involved in this genre will refuse to touch it with a ten foot pole.

nickThough he’s not a household name by any means, Nick McMillen is one of several drivers campaigning for Team RJN in Blancpain GT Series, with his weapon of choice being none other than the GT3-spec Nissan GTR. Unlike many real world drivers who grace the iRacing service with their own lengthy introduction article and subsequent fanfare welcoming them to the online racing simulator, McMillen quietly signed up for iRacing on his own free time, as any computer geek and past GT Academy champion curious about hardcore sim racing would. Rather than an endless stream of nerds gushing over his mere presence on the server, the 2014 Silverstone winner was instead met with immense hostility from elitist armchair race car drivers, who demanded him to be removed from the session – completely unaware of the impression they were making on Nick.

This isn’t to say that Nick is sitting in his mansion now harboring an irrational hatred of the sim racing community, but scanning his Twitter feed, I sure don’t see any positive discussion about how much fun he had sim racing a few evenings back – only that the community instantly tried to chase him away without even getting to know him.

What kind of message does this send to real race car drivers looking for valuable practice time during the off-season?

heroofthedayNext, we move over to the iRacing section of Reddit, where a user by the name of pocketrocketsAA has proudly shown off the custom Hero Card he’s mailing out to people over the holidays.

Yes, you read that right. Some guy on iRacing, who doesn’t even run in a major online series with five-figure payouts, but is just a random sim racer like the majority of you reading this post, is mailing out an autographed picture of his iRacing car as a Christmas gift. This is the equivalent to an avid flight simulator enthusiast making the trip to the Caribbean Islands on VATSIM, and sending his Grandma a custom post-card with a screenshot of his 737 landing at Princess Juliana in X-Plane. I mean, it’s just… There really aren’t words for this sort of thing because your average person doesn’t do this stuff and therefore we don’t need a word to describe it, but yeah. Let me put it this way – not all real-world auto racing teams go out of their way to print hero cards, even at the higher amateur levels where there are tons of kids that come out to the track each weekend and really love collecting them. It’s seen as this optional marketing thing that caters to a very specific group.

Now it’s one thing for a Star Wars buff to have a replica Anakin Skywalker costume that he busts out on Halloween, or a rec league basketball player to proudly display a Vince Carter Toronto Raptors jersey in his mancave, because those are pieces of memorabilia that actually hold some value to them. Star Wars is one of the biggest movie franchise in the history of Hollywood, and Vince Carter was the first real star to have played for Toronto, and it’s the same when it comes to racing. A Jeff Gordon pennant from 1994 means something, because it’s motherfucking Jeff Gordon and you have a piece of history.

But autographing pictures of your iRacing car and then advertising on Reddit that you’re mailing them out to people as if you’re some sort of rising stock car phenom, makes the sim racing community all look like the six year olds who come out to the pits during post race autograph sessions and say things like “I’m gonna grow up and drive a race car just like you!”  Now don’t take that the wrong way, I mean, some of these kids very well do grow up to be race car drivers, so it’s actually kind of cool to have that conversation with the younger audience, but grown men living out these fantasies to the extent of creating their own line of fake memorabilia is just weird – the kind of weird matched only by some teenager reading her Ashton Kutcher fan fiction at the school talent show.

Gamers aren’t going to willingly participate in a genre where you can pop on Reddit, and the top post in that community for the day is of a guy creating fake memorabilia of himself and acting like it’s this totally cool, normal thing.

15494064_1437002132991506_1989396620_nBut enough with ripping on fake iRacer memorabilia, because we can actually take things a step further. I honestly don’t mind when people brag about their accomplishments in video games on social media, because we’ve all seen impossible feats on YouTube by gamers who are freaks of nature when it comes to Battlefield or Call of Duty, and it’s nice to know someone on a personal level who managed to get that good via practice and determination rather than ram hacks and exploits. For example, a buddy of mine who I’ve been close with since high school is one of the best in the world at the EA Sports line of NHL games, and occasionally he’ll throw up pictures of whatever leaderboard he’s climbing on Facebook just to dickwave a bit. Personally, I think it’s cool to know someone who’s that good at a game tons of people play, and I enjoy listening to him rant about the NHL series from time to time with the same level of in-depth knowledge as we talk about sim racing here on PRC.net.

However, what Tyler doesn’t do, is sit on Facebook implying the Edmonton Oil Kings should give him a shot playing goalie for a few games because he dominated the EASHL leaderboards with his club. Yet this is precisely the behavior exhibited by some sim racers. And while I know some will rip on me for using Lance Gomez Jr. of all people as an example for this subject, we’ve covered this topic previously in a few different articles – there are guys across many different sims who believe just because they managed to beat a real-world driver in some public lobby shitfest, their asses should be handed a legitimate ride.

I’m not going to say the transition is impossible, because it’s not, but the mentality fueling instances such as the post I inserted above speaks volumes about what’s actually occurring here. You have a group of people who think that playing NASCAR on the computer and being somewhat decent at it means they’re cut out for the real thing. This is basically akin to going on a tear in Call of Duty one night, and comparing your kill/death ratio to Chris Kyle on the Facebook page of your local veteran’s group.

Stuff like this makes the average sim racer appear to be no more or less deluded than the stereotypical high school classmate we all had who was utterly convinced he was the next Eminem, and pestered everybody on Facebook to download his shitty Soundcloud remixes. That’s not a good thing in a small genre where socializing with others is basically required to enjoy the hobby. We were supposed to get away from those burnouts upon graduating – no gamer will want to indulge in a genre where it’s common to run into these people.

15592358_10206467829535022_2010052768_nLastly, we have more of a personal story than anything, but it just drills home how bizarre this community can be at times. About a week ago, I ran a short piece announcing I had a brief phone call with the President of iRacing, Mr. Tony Gardner, and didn’t say a whole lot about what was discussed other than that we smoothed over some of the animosity between the two entities, and I was satisfied with the result. This angered some iRacers so much, they actually called iRacing’s office in Massachusetts to complain about PRC.net. Obviously the picture is worth a thousand words, and I shouldn’t have to elaborate on what most of you can conclude from the screenshot yourselves, but we’re at a point where old men will call up the headquarters of their favorite simulator at a moments notice to complain about an article they read on some sim racing blog that supposedly nobody in the community cares about anyway.

What happens if you, yes, you, feel like exploring your creative side and making a few YouTube videos reviewing a car you’re not particularly fond of, or a game that isn’t all it was made out to be? How does it feel knowing a group of losers lurking the same sim racing message boards as you will literally call up a company to tattle on your video? Does this sound like a community any gamer would want to be a part of? Fuck no.

And for good measure, they’ll then go and accuse a real life race car driver of cheating on iRacing – completely disregarding his multiple track championships at facilities across the southern United States, which would probably explain his outstanding results in an online racing game – solely because we interviewed him a few weeks back. For those of you keeping track, this is the second real-world driver mentioned in this article the sim racing community have opted to try and chase away for no justifiable reason.

This almost gives some credibility to the rumor that Dale Earnhardt Jr. continues to race on iRacing, albeit under a fictional name. No real driver would willingly subject themselves to this environment.

244210_20161220201925_1So to the multiple users who Email me with lengthy Reader Submissions expressing their disgust over how utterly bizarre the sim racing community has become: I feel you, and there’s at least a way to try and reverse all of this insanity. When you see some of the stuff above occurring in your own preferred sim racing community, do your part to stop it. Don’t let your bro take out numerous payday loans to buy a sim rig beyond what’s considered reasonable for the hobby. Convince your buddy to try his hand at some sort of amateur race car if he’s shitting up Facebook with posts claiming he’s cut out for the real thing. Refuse to help design a hero card for your teammate who wants to mail out a stack for Christmas. And when a real driver joins the session, treat him not as some sort of idiotic noob or potential cheater, but acknowledge he’s just here to geek the fuck out with the rest of us.

Because as you can see, the four examples I’ve shown above make sim racing out to be this ridiculous cult of cringe, as if My Little Pony fans grew out of cartoon unicorns and latched onto auto racing – and as I’m sure you can probably figure out, there’s indeed more where those examples came from. Straight up, sim racing isn’t growing because dealing with this stuff on a regular basis is a hard sell to folks who haven’t already been desensitized to it. Rather than spinning in circles wondering why the fuck iRacing’s biggest online series only nets 150 viewers per event, and questioning how every other eSport aside from sim racing is exploding, it’s time to address the elephant in the room – every time you don’t actively speak out against the weird side of the community, that side of the community continues to operate as if everything they’re doing is okay.

It’s not. It’s actually making gamers on the fence think twice, and turning them away from what can be a cool hobby, but simply isn’t at the moment.



142 thoughts on “Time to Reform the Culture of Cringe?

  1. A person can’t express their opinion or preference for a game, or support towards a sim racing company that they are deemed and labeled fanboys or shills. When will you learn that giving support and liking a game doesn’t make one blind towards the flaws of the game or stuff that could be added to improve.

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    1. The key thing is that fanboys and shills are real, so it’s a valid thing to call out.

      Once iRacing started handing out five figures to shill… sorry… advertise for them, everybody with some kind of social media platform wanted a piece of the pie. And again with pCars, I personally saw the threads asking WMD members to brigade negative articles. Then the frontman for Breaking Benjamin went on his tirade against EA, not to mention Gamergate being a legit thing, and, well, sorry man, shills exist. They’re here.

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      1. And talking about your example of pc users going to ac’s console forum calling trolls to who says the console game wasn’t very good at launch is quite an extreme and dubious example. Did those pc users call troll to everyone who told what wasn’t good in the console version? Maybe we need to pay attention to each case and not generalize.

        How about the fact that your blog quotes some negative opinions about an update or a game and start shitstorming on the devs and that game’s community, instead of offering the readers the whole picture. You may not be aware, but for 3 negative opinions there are 20 positive opinions (made up ratio, I know, but just for the sake of argument). A game is quite bad when the majority or at least a half deems it so.
        So how about we take sim racing with honest, informed, and unbiased eyes. Don’t force your opinion and don’t present things to reinforce an agenda. And lastly, properly research when doing a physics review or pointing physics flaws.

        WMD forums during pcars closed development was quite a special case, also money involved. But I don’t doubt there are “sim racing individuals” who might do the same and without money attachments.

        But the same way you point the finger at who calls troll for saying the game isn’t good, you need to point the finger at who calls fanboy for saying the game is good. Otherwise you’re just picking a side and passing a personal agenda with your articles instead of treating your readers with unbiased statements and information.


      2. Although the hundred previous articles on the subject left me skeptical, today’s post finally convinced me that the sim racing community is on the road to ruin.

        Then I realized you’re starting to take yourself way too seriously (sort of like those you’re deriding).

        And who/whom are not interchangeable (not that the sentence in question makes any sense otherwise).

        That said, I’m still a fan of your writing, and the blog, Chicken Little.


  2. Solid article. I still set up the wheel for some laps by myself every now and then, but I won’t openly associate with simracing until it stops being the Brony culture of the automotive world.

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    1. What does openly associate with sim racing even mean?

      Are you choosing not to sim race at all, not sim race publicly, or just not comment on any sim racing blogs?

      Oh wait…


  3. Most of these sim racing oddities are performed by iracing/american users, like the hero cards and stuff.
    So we need to distance the sim racing community USA — Rest of the world. James always talks about sim racing oddities for how embarrassing they are but are always performed from people in North America, and sometimes South America.


  4. Good article. The cancerous culture is real. I haven’t played online for about 18 months. Life is too short and too busy to deal with adults acting like a toddler online.

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    1. I know what you mean, bro!

      As soon as I learned about all these weirdos, I said to myself, I don’t care how much I enjoy this hobby, I’ve gotta take a stand, so I just stopped racing altogether.

      Like when I stopped playing Pop Warner football after hearing that a coach three states over was a pedo!

      A goddamn pedo, amirite!

      Then I heard about some teacher gettin’ arrested for being a pedo, so I fuckin’ quit school man!


  5. I have to say that my assessment of the community is pretty much the same as yours. I’ve felt for a long time now that one of the big reasons the genre isn’t growing is because a lot of the people who play the games are just nasty, angry, and unwelcoming. I have to be honest and say that if I hadn’t been playing these games on and off for the last 20 years, I wouldn’t bother to get involved.

    I wish people could take a step back and realize how ridiculous their actions are, like the Domino’s kid or the dude sending autographed pictures of his iRacing car, or people who berate and attack people on the forums. It’s a real shame because it takes a lot of the fun out of these games, and isn’t that what it’s really supposed to be about?

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  6. PRC does a wierd thing on me. When i take a look at the screenshots of a post, i want to hook my wheel and race. When i’m done reading the said post, i want to put it aside and play something else instead.

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  7. Great article. I don’t think some people understand how cancerous the sim racing can be, especially the iRacing community. The iRacing community is just as bad as the COD community, which is embarrassing because the grown men on iRacing act just as bad as the trash talking 12 year olds on COD.


  8. It’s not just ponyfags and sim racers. Literally every E-sport and popular game genre have these levels of pure autism, delusion and scum-baggery in their community.

    Sim racing is also a pain in the ass hobby to get into vs. other game genres. While every other game out there uses the standard controller or kb/mouse. We have to buy a force feedback wheel, and clamp right into the middle of the desk. It takes up space and is expensive. Also you actually have to do some body movement, so its not very relaxing after a hard day at work. Sim racing will always have that handicap.


    1. Sim racers are the oldest people from all those groups on average and they tend to be the wealthiest, so their idiocy and bad decisions stand out more, even if the idiots are proportionally insignificant compared to the vortex of retardation that are most other videogame communities.

      No one expects anything from the Five Nights at Freddy’s community because they are literally children, or free to play shooters, because it’s mostly a bunch of edgy teens and preteens, or fighting games, because they are actual niggers, and I could go on. Sim racers are held to a higher standard, as they should.


      1. “Sim racers are the oldest people from all those groups on average and they tend to be the wealthiest”

        Pretty sure that crown goes to the Flight Sim community by far. And I don’t think they have nowhere near the level of shit shows.


      2. I’d say flight simmers are for sure the oldest and also most likely the wealthiest. Basic set of controllers is already at the same price as decent wheel and when you start building a home cockpit with multiple computers, panels and projectors, you are very soon paying much more than a full motion racing rig. You can also pump huge amounts of money on the payware addons for these sims, as nobody is playing them as out of the box. I know this because I did that shit awfully lot, though I didn’t have a home cockpit (several controllers still and tons of payware software). And I guarantee that the average age of enthusiast a flight simmer is easily 40+ if not more.

        But compared to racing sim community, flight simmers are really a different bunch. Sure, there is huge amount of autism in there as people can have endless discussions how some FMC isn’t modeled exactly right the real one or they can literally spend weeks to master some realistic modern airliner. But the community is very friendly and I haven’t witnessed any strange delusions. For example, I haven’t never seen that someone really suggested that if he could master the most realistic model of F-18 Superbug, he should be immediately hired by the US Navy as a next fucking Maverick.

        And yet more, you can occasionally bump into a discussion where some guys can get into a argument which sim (XPlane or P3D/FSX) delivers the best experience, but they are rare and usually end pretty quickly, because everyone usually gets quite fast how stupid it is in the end. And sometimes you can witness some elitism in someone’s replys to a newbie seeking something easy as a starter, but community usually brings thiese morons to the ground level pretty fast and new dudes get the help they need.

        There sure is a lot in common with simracers and flightsimmers, but there is one big difference in the hobby. If you don’t count those few serious combat sims out there, there is zero competition in flight simming. Everyone does simming only because they want to do stuff as realistically as possible, experience different aircraft or even even do some virtual sightseeing or just experience the joy of flight either because they don’t afford a PPL or for health reasons can’t ever obtain one. Besides the fact that simmers are mostly quite matured gentlemen, it may also be because of this lack of competition that flight simming just doesn’t attract those man-children that much. Flightsims are also a lot more difficult to approach than racing sims. It sure takes a lot practice to master any racing sim competitively, but you literally need dozens of hours of practice with the most realistic aircraft in P3D/FSX or XPlane to just to fly them properly. Best ones are really close to the real ones. You don’t need much skill to just a drive a pretend racecar with your toy wheel, although doing it fast is another thing.


        1. There is a crucial difference between race sims and combat flight sims communities, stemming from the nature of the genres.

          Racers race alone and compete with each other.
          In a multiplayer combat flight sim you’re as good as dead without your leader/wingman.

          There is a lot of cringe and infighting in combat flight sims, but it’s different.


        2. Neither PRC nor the reporting party had permission to use my name nor Chris Jackson’s name or any content from the NoXqses Race Team. The reporting individual is on record for being unauthorized to share information from the private team page. He who took a screen shot of our private Facebook page from a licensed business and used it without authorization and out of context and he who posted it without confirmation of that authority are to cease and desist utilization of the content provided by the reporting party, of which we are in contact with. Please remove the content or seek with permission to use private unauthorized content immediately from NoXqses, Racing LLC. I can be contacted at admin@nxqracing.com, tomorrow we will be in contact with counsel if we do not see a change to this page.

          Thank you,
          John Hammer – Team Manager


          1. You may have a hard time getting any satisfaction, John Hammer, if you choose to go the rout you are threatening. I guess you could do it but then you would be out a significant sum of money chasing after a blogger.

            Then what? Do you get the satisfaction of knowing you “…really put the screws on that guy at PRC.net!”

            All the while you reinforce the impression that many of us sane sim-racers have that you have too much time on your hands. All the while media of all sorts are reporting names involved in news, and blogs, without permissions. Why? It is news/information. They are even making money doing this while there is very little money being poured into PRC.

            I guess if you do not like seeing your name in a negative light, in a medium that can be accessed by millions of people, with just a click of a mouse button, then maybe you ought to act in a manner that does not reflect poorly upon you.

            I like to think I am the sort to try to see it both ways. I take what PRC.net reports with a grain of salt, knowing that there is, often, another side to the story and the answer lies somewhere in the middle.

            Unfortunately for you, the above response merely shows that the “other side” being reported by PRC.net may not be too far off base.

            Additionally, as a 52 year old gamer who has been gaming for nearly 15 years, people like you who try to protect “Intellectual Propery” like a FB page, do, indeed, give all of us…more mature gamers a
            bad name.

            I am interested in how this turns out, interested in how much money and time you are willing to spend to protect a niche FB page for a tiny, niche group of society, that has very few followers ( in comparison to, say, the guitarophile, FB pages out there).

            Please, continue to reinforce the image you have started so you can “protect” a reputation that looks more and more like the reputation reflected in the blog post.

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            1. Hmmm…no trademark on the name of the business. Maybe someone should file a trademark on it and send NoXcuses a cease and desist.

              Just sayin…

              See, we can all play the game.

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          2. Hey John, I feel like you need to be reminded that this is all just about video games. There’s no need to get so angry. I mean, come on, referring to the group of buddies you play racing games with as a “licensed corporation” and listing yourself as “team manager,” then copying and pasting some hollow legal threat? Are you serious? I strongly urge you to take a step back, and take a look at how you are behaving here, because it’s not normal.


            1. Not that it even matters, but I’m not sure a FB conversation is protected.

              It’s been awhile since I took IP, but it’s not as if he screengrabbed a photo.


    2. The whole “gamer culture” is a cesspool of toxic human waste. Remember gamergate a while ago? And just today manbabies of various ages had collective meltdown because a character in an online FPS was revealed to be a lesbian in an promotional comic.

      I don’t even pretend to understand what drives those people.


          1. There could be none.
            The responsible authorities long ago concluded that gamers are dead.
            How can dead people stalk or threaten anyone?
            Or do you question the authorities?


          2. I can’t fault you for not keeping up on what’s all come of the Gamergate story, but someone was bored enough to make a FOIA request on the FBI’s investigation, and it turned out Anita Sarkeesian, Brianna Wu, and Zoe Quinn were crying wolf over little more than internet trolls.


            Basically, imagine if the anal cavity guy came on here and said he was going to kill me if I didn’t unblock the words “anal cavity.” Those were the kinds of posts these ladies were running to the police about. I’m not sure why the industry took sides with them and made them out to be perpetual victims.

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          3. The people getting those supposed threats were professional victims. Claiming to be persecuted and facing imminent danger is their standard response to criticism, and that is exactly what they did. Some were even caught fabricating threats against themselves. You’d have to be one dense motherfucker to keep falling for their tricks.


            1. So being an asshole is fine so long as you arent prosecuted? Do you want the assholes to self moderate, or only the assholes you don’t agree with


              1. Being an asshole is always fine, did I ever imply otherwise? The only danger of being an asshole to others is to oneself. What is ridiculous is, first, people pretending that some retarded comments online are a serious threat to their lives, second, using that as an excuse to avoid having to explain themselves to other, completely unrelated individuals, by falsely grouping them together to share the blame, and third, that someone watching all of this unfold could be so emotionally manipulable as to immediately take sides with the people who put the greatest effort in appearing victimized, ignoring everything else in the discussion.

                Imagine James getting something horribly wrong in an article and people correcting him in the comments. Then, instead of addressing the fuck up or ignoring it, he screencaps the more negative comments (like that guy from earlier saying that he should shoot himself in the head) and makes a melodramatic blog post claiming to be the target of a hate campaign and having to sleep at a hotel fearing for his life, ending it with a link to his Patreon account so you can use your money to relieve his suffering. To top it off, other sites (some of them run by James’ friends) begin reporting on this and accuse the people who made the original comments of being a bunch of toxic leaf haters pieces of human garbage who are on the wrong side of history. That is gamergate in a nutshell.


        1. What do you mean by legit?

          Sites like Kotaku covered it breathlessly, but I don’t remember much mainstream media coverage.

          More importantly, it was an isolated case, and isn’t nearly the cultural reflection you’ve made it out to be.


  9. Great article, and so true. It reminds me of my more immature days when I asked a friend, who was a local NASCAR hometown track champion and eventually a 5 times owners champion in the NASCAR K&N series about how will I know if I have what it takes to be in a real stock car. I kicked butt on the old NASCAR sims and I guess my ego got the best of me. His response has always stuck with me. He replied, “that until you’re feeling 100 mph and you back up a real car into the wall, you’ll never know if you have what it takes”. Reality hit me. Sims can’t replicate the effect racing has on your body, let alone your mind.
    I’m new to the PRC community and was hesitant to sign up for the newsletter at first, but what you do is provide a great service for current and future sims to learn from. I believe someday the proper changes will be made to these, and upcoming sims, and for that we will all win!
    Great piece, keep shining the light.


      1. James is part of the community, he’s in a position to moderate what goes out, instead he amplifies the most toxic users (is there any other site where ass0c gets free reign to shitpost about rf2? don’t think so)

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  10. Has it not crossed any of your minds that you wouldn’t even know these people existed if James hadn’t posted about them?

    No wonder Trump was elected.


      1. If you’re getting wrecked all the time, you probably suck.

        If you’re running into these guys constantly, you’re probably one of them.


    1. Sorry but your way off, James highlights the extreme, yes I haven’t come this across in Europe in regards to hero cards and people proclaiming to better than real drivers, but we all run into self obsessed arrogant aholes, who don’t understand everyone has different skill levels and feel the need to put down and attack people who probably haven’t 10% as much game time as them, but I must say Europe is no where near as bad as you guys in the states, in fact the 2 groups I have found on Grand Turismo, (before you all start the sim-cade shit, i don’t care if it’s not as real as some other games., it allows me to race cars I can’t afford and race bumper to bumper with other real people,and most of all I have a great fun doing so) and Pcars which does have many flaws like James has pointed out, but he has also pointed out you can have great fun playing the game and for consoles particularly is probably better than other games on offer, A/C I haven’t tried yet as I only play online so who knows when I will give it a go, but James only points out things that are true and real, it’s not made up BS, our genre takes a lot of practice to become good so you tend to only get people really interested in racing and cars, its not a genre you can pick up and start doing well within a couple of hrs, so you get the genre filled with rather passionate people, but some times the passion transforms into insanity, the only other game I play is Battlefield multiplayer, and its a great game, I can go on join a squad with guys I haven’t played with before and as long as i try and play the game properly and be a team/squad player I am welcomed in without any issues regardless of skill level, the difference in the genres regarding how the gamer’s interact is night and day.


  11. I just came here to say that John Hammer and Chris Jackson are in the Top 10 (5?) most brain damaged iR users in history. If not in the whole of simracing.


  12. Every time I fire up the iRacing it really helps to disable voice chat. I wish there was a way to disable text chat but I have learned not to read it. I never socialize on the boards, I never care about anything off-race. If someone has something against me, I do not even know about it. If something is done to me, I do not care. I just go to next race. This way the service and community is bearable. Works for me.


  13. There is so much sheer cringe in simracing I don’t even know where to start.

    I started to realize it a few years back when we had two separate incidents on iRacing where one person looked up another members workplace and in one instance I believe left a voice mail for his boss explaining that he “trolls” on the forums all day from work. This was becuase he was incensed that the other person wasn’t full blown fanboy and was calling iRacing out for sub-par physics. The other person emailed screenshots or something like that to someone’s HR department because they were pissed off about a race. Both are IIRC becuase the threads are gone.

    Lucky for both guys their superiors laughed it off. However this is why I changed my name on iRacing to something similar to but not quite my name. The last thing I need to do is have my job in jeopardy because I called the guy who wrecked me in turn one of a video game an asshole.

    Additionally what has real names being use on iRacing done for the sense of professionalism that this sim is supposed to exude? Races are as dirty as any xbox live racer or open lobby on rFactor/AC/pcars. The protest system is completely biased and internet tough guys act in ways that they would never ever have the balls to do in real life.

    How many people in the past 2 years have straight up gave up on sim racing for this reason too? The morons who patrol the iRacing forums and other sim’s forums claiming that you cant enjoy or truly simrace unless you have a $1500 direct drive wheel in front of you. I mean after all there are threads about how iRacing feels so much better with the DD wheel.

    Now someone who dropped $130 on the subscription for iRacing (before any meaningful content can be purchased remember), the thought of buying a $200 wheel and pedal combo is already daunting. Imagine reading thread after thread telling you that it’s worthless to play without a DD wheel?

    How about the people who instantly shit on anything that isn’t iRacing on other forums and on the official forums? I haven’t played AC more than 30 minutes in the past 15 months, mostly due to time constraints and finishing post graduate studies up, I have openly been critical about the way they handle their game’s features. But you can’t deny that they do get more right than wrong with their physics. iRacer’s are of the belief that if you don’t spend 6 months making one car (that LOL will drive completely different the next 5 consecutive builds) that there isn’t authenticity and isn’t a true sim. Sounds like a solid plan, let us continue to shit on anyone who wan’ts to challenge the throne and outright lie about anything that any other dev attempts.

    At the same time the Dev’s are to blame for alot of this toxicity too. They control the main hubs of discussion, their forums.Sorry Bram, and to an extent sorry Austin but the main hubs of discussion aren’t RD and PRC, official; forums are. They allow cliques to form and gang up on anyone who isn’t a fanboy. They are the ones that ban any criticism, constructive or not. I get banning people who are essentially spamming their shitty opinion, but banning open discussion doesn’t make us any better or worse than the shit slinging that goes on between COD and Battlefield fanboys.

    I would have never ever guessed back in 2009 that simracing would arguably be getting worse and not better. I genuinely feel bad for the old old guys in their 40s and 50s now who loved competition in the nr03 and nr4 days. I feel bad for the people who joined iRacing when I did in 2009 and thought we were at the pinnacle of sim racing. Yeah there are some old morons who stick around and shit up the community. However I feel alot of the new blood and people who aren’t serious cause alot of the aforementioned shit above. They forced their way in and think that they are taking the shitty parts of their COD tweener mentality into our hobby.

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    1. iRacing’s real name requirement is really just to make it look more like real racing on streams, they don’t give a fuck at all if people use their real name as long as it looks plausible.

      I wish I had realized this much earlier.


  14. To every who read this comment: Share this. Even you got banned, it doesn’t matter, I think it’s time to reform right now.

    If it’s too late, it doesn’t matter, because I want to see sim racer gone crazy and riot.

    To MANCHILD!: Keep doing like James is just a xenophobe with his worst site, SimRacers, and you won’t know who’s going to blame first.


    1. First message is telling people who read this comment to share that article, regardless if they got banned or not. Because, the sport is dying, action is the only way to bring Sim Racing to eSports.

      If this genre is dead, I don’t care, as I want to see how the commuity react to the news where *insert game name that killed racing game here* killed pretty much everything in racing genre, including sim racing. It’s gonna be madness.

      Second Message is for the so-called “Manchildren” to keep shitposting at Austin Ogonoski (that’s James’s real name) like he is a manchild, even he isn’t.

      The worst site for Sim Racing News? Yes. For Disgrunted Sim Racers? Yes. But when this genre is dead, they will have no idea who’s going to blame first. They mostly blame on James for killing Sim Racing, when they, in reality, can’t blame themselves for not helping sim racing to escape the dark era.

      That’s about it!

      (I think that sharing trick is working, as the comments count came up from like 20 to 100 comments right now)


  15. You can make parallelism between PC gaming like race sim and real TV show. Some people just think they are a star singer because they participated to amercain idol or shitty TV show. Some are legit, some think they are, and the majority sucks.
    As the audience of this now, you have a repsonsability too. You can say that people from American idol are more legit than people coming from another TV show for exemple. In gamins industry, it s like saying iracing is the best sim racing. In this case, audience make people who are good thinking they are legitimated by the audience.


  16. Yet people are telling me I’m doing it wrong by simply driving around in simulators to my hearts content.

    James, you have to give up either of the two things: the online racing itself or complaining about those you come across while doing that.

    There is no way you will change the community. Because every single one of you are delusional. You too, despite your best effort to imitate a normal person calling your blog “Pretend Race Cars”, calling your tool of trade a “toy wheel”, bursting to giggles over people who spend thousands on DD ones, you too are as delusional as the rest. Doubt that? Ask a normal person to read those of your articles that are written more on the subject of racing rather than on the subject of you being the only sane person in the crowd of nerds who has completely lost it, then let them share their opinion.


  17. Imagine a brony that becomes disillusioned with the other bronies and then makes it his life’s goal to talk shit them and brag about making some beer money in the process. Then one day one of the top bronies calls the disillusioned brony to make peace and the disillusioned brony announces it as some sort of victory.

    Sorry Austin but you’re not above it. Anyone outside of sim racing would roll their eyes at your sim racing activism and tell you to get a grip. You’ve been involved in more than your fair share of drama which any mature adult would have avoided.

    Log on, race, log off. You don’t have to interact with these people. If that’s not enough for you then you’re just not a fan of sim racing. Period.


      1. Are you just being pedantic? What I’m saying is I don’t care if the guy I’m racing has a several thousand dollar rig or if he hands out hero cards. I don’t want to be his friend or waste my time telling him how stupid he is. I still have fun racing against him. The racing is the only interaction I have. If you can’t do that then that’s your problem.


            1. Don’t bother, he’s too consumed with sim racing drama than with actual racing. Is like those magazines constantly following celebrities and shaming them on the cover.


      2. Exactly. If this was a men’s league softball, soccer or hockey the shitters would be told not to come back or not invited next season.

        Sim racing putting a monitor and wires between us means everyone has to deal with the shitters the community has to offer for some reason


  18. This is pretty much exactly it. Every few years I try to get back into sim racing, and the process is just daunting not due to skill involved or cost of setup, but how terrifyingly caustic and outright strange all of the forums and communities involved seem to be.

    I started reading PRC relatively recently and thought it was relatively contained and that this didn’t happen all too much, and then people started screaming at me because I thought Project CARS was decently okay but unimpressive, and then others came to sing the praises of Assetto Corsa, and so on and so forth.

    It’d be nice to see a single “hey how do I do such-and-such” thread that doesn’t immediately result in the answer of, to put it extremely more nicely, “you should know this already, go back to Need for Speed”.

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  19. Disregarding the @nal c@vity spam posts articles like this is the reason why this is the only sim racing site left that I still read and watch out for new articles every day. I understand every one of these sites needs the money for business reasons but the others no longer feel genuine.


    1. They don’t need money to keep operating. I go to work for one shift, it pays to keep PRC online for a year. Any shilling you see on other sites, it’s all greed. Sim dads wanting free stuff or to try and get rich off sim racing.


      1. OK, let me rephrase. Yeah, I feel that other sites are just there to make money instead of actually providing genuine articles. Yours still feel in touch with the common sim racer and gamer.

        When I go to the other sites it’s like sim racing = latest and greatest sim gear. I still remember the time when the G25 is considered top level already, not the greatest, but still considered great. Nowadays it’s direct drive or whatever that costs almost like a real car. If I’ll spend that much money I’ll go real racing.

        I think that’s the reason why the community alienates newbies. They spent so much on rigs so if someone new comes and they think the newbie is be driving with a cheap wheel then that newb isn’t “dedicated enough” to join the circle. If the newb beats em the former must be cheating. “How could someone with a cheap Logitech wheel beat me! My brake pedal alone costs more than his whole rig! He must be cheating.”

        On the other hand I met some nice people on AC’s track day at Nords server.


        1. Still on with that irrational hatred towards the DD users? Look, if you enjoy cheapo headphones, good for you. I prefer my aural environment to be filled with nicer sounds. Whatever I’m willing to pay for it, it’s my own freaking business. Get over it. Same with the wheels. They are not for making you drive faster. They are for much bigger enjoyment of driving. Also, that’s just stupid comparing DD wheels prices and real racing expenditures.


  20. James, you have posted many positive comments regarding various games, if you just mix it up a bit you would gain more credibility, I love this site, and other than gt planet(great community, no shit flinging just people with a similar love for a game sharing tips and talking about their hobby) I don’t visit any others, we need a middle ground though, we have all the main stream just spouting marketing tripe, and you posting mainly negative side of topics, why don’t you put more positive content in and then these muppet’s who have a go at PRC will be left in limbo, and to everyone out there, you wil never truly replicate the physics of real racing sitting in your room on with feedback coming through a bloody steering wheel, get a life, as long as i can race while the basics of driving are there, lots of good cars, good graphics and I provide me with good raCing, I don’t care, it’s all about FUN AT THE END OF THE DAY.


    1. That’s why I love RRE. Feels real enough without too much complicated setup pseudo science. Too bad it’s like nobody plays it and its store system turns people away. Come to think of it it’s still way cheaper than buying Codies F1 every year since car packs are relatively cheap but it fragments the multiplayer too much. Buy a single car, buy all tracks, what the… I’d pay 60 to have everything ready online…


        1. I hope I they have a Christmas sale. I’m not paying more than 60 for any game but RRE is kinda beckoning on me.

          Also, I really love it but based on its estimated player count compared to other racing games and sims it’s not doing very well. I’m worried that RRE might fold and I won’t be able to play it due to it always needing its servers.


  21. ”you’re forced to talk to people. And sometimes, you end up realizing these people are exceptionally hard to get along with, or they’re outright delusional. Even worse, nobody seems to have the balls to say “dude, you’re being a bit weird right now, stop this shit.”

    You are more or less spot on here James 🙂
    But there are not much you can do about this behaviour.

    Because to the contrary of most other game types a motor racing game is so close connected to the users identity and often fantasy based ‎self-understanding that those characters you describe would selfdestruct if they wasnt allowed to behave this way.

    Im not saying that you cannot find such characters in as example fly sims and 1st person shooters but in these other type of games such characters are mainly considered as nerds and exceptions.
    Its only in motor racing games such behaviour is considered normal.


  22. Good to read someone is aware of the shitshow Assetto Corsa is on consoles and how lame the reactions of some of the PC players is.

    You should feel sorry for the plebs that got robbed and ended up with a shit product, not tell them it´s their fault because of their hardware choice. Most of the game problems have nothing to do with hardware.


  23. I’ve got a garbage Monte Carlo stock car if any of the “Real Deal” sim racing heros wanna come throw up in their helmets!

    These people don’t realize that even if it’s called a “sim” it’s absolutely nothing like the real thing. Understeering towards a wall at speed is alot fucking scarier in real life. Austin has done a great job of explaining what it’s like in his shitbox racing articles.

    I don’t understand why we even need to have these discussions…


  24. There’s another angle to this…what if new people don’t enter the hobby because they read your rants about every sim being a substandard POS and actually believe there’s no way they could possibly have any fun if it’s that bad? Personally, the link to PRC is in my browser’s group along with The Onion and Fark and other “off the wall” sites.

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    1. I totally agree, if not for this blog “exposing” these guys or some other stuff, people wouldn’t be forced to know. But now they know because some fam made his mission to tell everyone about it. I guess this is how we motivate people to play sim racing.


    2. Are you insinuating that PRC is more influential then RD and ISR? Can’t put the fate of the community solely on them. This site seems to have one purpose. Expose what those influential outlets won’t.


      1. But RD and alike are for reporting sim racing and/or motorsport news. Why in the world would virtualr, bsimracing, racedepartment talk about some iracing dudes distributing hero cards, or that some guy got pissed on iracing chat, and similar. It simply makes no sense for those websites to talk about mundane subjects.


        1. Like I said, ‘won’t’. You still didn’t answer the question. If you don’t think PRC is more influential then those other outlets then it’s a non issue. Majority of people will get their regular news in the mainstream and those who actually want an unfiltered view of seldom covered subjects will come here. At the end of the day, if this websites popularity is rising, it’s because the community wants to read about what they have to say.


  25. >sim racing has some cringe bozos, let me show you all of them, so now you know them too

    this blog….

    Why are you giving attention to people, who in your mind, don’t matter, by “exposing” them. I thought sim racing was for discussing the goods&bads of racing, of cars, of tracks, of simulation. Thanks to this blog we are forced to discuss people.

    Anyone who supports this kind of blog and articles is no different than the people who buy gossip magazines to learn about the life of others.

    Can we now please get back to pcars2 shilling.


      1. I know, and I don’t tend to discuss people. But if they just give drama subjects, drama subjects will be on your mind. I guess the solution is just closing the website as soon as I spot one. In fact, pretty much all articles have reasons to just close the website right away.


  26. Pretty much spot on. Although imo the problem can be migitated by choosing the communities you race with carefully… and probably staying away from iRacing.


    1. That’s basically a must for any online interaction. Either you find a group of people you can trust to be sane individuals (or at least complying with your own standards of insanity), or “expect the unexpected”.

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  27. As a video game developer and a ponyfag I find nothing wrong with the characterizations in the article.
    If anything it’s a bit mild.

    Sims strive to be as realistic as possible and the “realistic” setting is a double-edged sword.
    It’s lucrative because it has an innately low barrier for entry.
    Also it’s tapping into the greatest IP of all times called history.

    Only a bunch of autists will be interested in the intricacies of the operation of an aether-filled zeppelin with magic-pulse engines, but everyone knows what’s a fighter jet is for.
    A relatively small circle will know who Psilons are, but everyone knows that Aztec do sacrifices and stuff.

    But people rarely play games that allow them to do what they already can in the real world.
    A taxi simulator? No, the closest you’ll get is Kemo, that’s a nice place to visit.
    A mind-boggling fast-food work? No, the closest you’ll get is venerable Diner Dash’s variation, where a day ends in five minutes, the customers are always happy if you did everything right and you’re the owner of your business.
    Going to an actual army to fill your days with dust, dirt, boredom, tiredness and rare moments of action when someone shoots at you to irrevocably kill you in that God-forsaken stupid place? Fuck no, but…

    “Realistic” for most people means things that they saw in movies or in prior video games they deemed realistic.
    It’s a self-reinforcing loop as video games are convenient, comfortable and absent of any danger.
    Someone in the know of how real things work is a danger to that bubble people build around themselves, partly from competitive reasons, partly from attempts at rationalization,

    Communties react in different ways.
    Different games attract different crazies and, importantly, promote different behavior.
    If you can’t play effectively without coordination and hierarchy (Squad, DCS for instance) this forms a much more organized community that sort-of kind-of tends to promote competent players that are able to organize something.
    If you can play solo effectively or even supposed to do this, this forms the usual.

    The difference is that in the first case crazies are organized and tend to accept that following orders from the big crazy leads to a better outcome for them.
    This adds some spice to the flamewars, but there tend to be people with an authority and ability to effectively command at least in-game, so the reception of the bubble-bursting behavior tends to be less childish.

    Non-“realistic” games are less prone to the bubble-bursting as you can’t say you’re an authority on real zombies or Tau.
    Even if you’ve wrote the damn codex on Tau, you’re not an authority, you’re a faggot, because Tau are the cancer of the galaxy.
    But I digress, these communities are very capable of generating all other sorts of drama.

    However, the only way to get rid of crazy is to make a game that no one will play.
    Even in a close-knit community someone will inevitably go crazy as in that someone’s way will diverge with most of the others, because people do change with time in the most beautiful and/or ugly ways imaginable. That’s what free will is for.
    While adding limitations may be reasonable for a while there will always be all sorts of false positives and false negatives.

    So it goes.
    While these crazies may or may be normal people in the real world, plenty of them drive cars, vote, hold positions of real-life authorities, have guns and so on.
    It’s just a life, it’s just who we are.


    1. You raise interesting points and got me thinking. That’s where I realised that most other popular online games don’t have the equivalent of a 1st turn pileup. In COD, LOL or event StarCraft, if you do the equivalent of a suicidal dive bomb, you’re only hurting yourself and your team, the opponent get’s the advantage if not an outright win from your greedy fuckups. In racing, one retard move and you take both you and one or more opponents out of contention instantly. Hence the demand and need for quite a bit more etiquette.

      And maybe sometime that need brings out the worst in the community.


  28. The by far biggest cancer in Sim-Racing is PRC and this nazi-asshole running the site. He should just end his miserable life and shoot himself in the head.


    1. Hello, @nal *censored* spam poster! Your comment don’t work with us and it’s gonna be you to get lost to every geninue sim racer who don’t get his/her brain destroyed, I bet!


  29. If that group or teams FB page wasnt hacked and someone leaked the post thats up there what on earth would be the gain for them? Obviously that person cannot be trusted so why would any other team want them on it knowing that person could leaks any info they gave them. Just sad to see. Even more sad this site would post it without permission. Could legal actions be taken?


        1. Sim racing isn’t in your interests any more, we get it. You can talk about facebook, iracing, youtube, drama, tweets, gonna do some more gossip articles. Is never a day off for some spicy gossips. Gotta catch em all.

          In what way are you improving sim racing by talking of people who distribute hero cards? If you think they are cringe and detrimental to sim racing, why are you letting everyone know of them? I know the answer, gotta get those views and keep trending.


  30. Nobody gets worked up about sim racer behavior accept you.
    Were a niche within a niche.
    Your dumb to think any ones behavior matters to anyone outside this genre.
    No one with the talent or desire is gonna see some immature behavior as a road block to their entry to sim racing. Ever. Enough of this “Cringe” nonsense. Its just a lame corner of Reddit for judgemental losers.
    Your the only clown taking the hobby seriously enough to think what others think matters.
    It doesn’t. Good or bad. Nobody cares We are sim racers. And we will always be in our own little corner.


  31. Its like everyone here is new to the internet.

    PCR makes a good read but it mostly comes across as written by someone who is just as petty as the developers and people they write about.

    I might be a minority but my experience with iracing and pcars forums is mostly positive. Haven’t spent much time in AC or other forums. Most people are friendly enough. Its generally those who don’t know how to lose who get into nonsensical arguments ands feuds. These people exist in all genres of gaming and most other Sunday league sports. If you focus on them its easy to see them everywhere.

    James claims he was a top level sim racer at some point (I don’t know his history or sim racing history). The higher the level of competition the more bad losers you find. Think about a Hamilton, Vettel, Ronaldo, the list goes on.

    From my experience as a pleb the sim racing community is fine (although the driving standards could be a little better). Some people have suggested maybe its an American thing. Could be true, most of us in the rest of the world think you guys are a bit delusional anyway.

    Keep up the good work. It always brightens my day to see people complaining about games.


      1. Like I said I don’t know about James history. All I know is what he’s written in this blog. Never seen a lap time never raced him online, I don’t know if he is actually a male. I don’t even know if he is a real person, I’ve only seen him make reference to when he was in the Pro iracing series or whatever it is.

        Just because I claim to be Kanye West doesn’t make it so. But if he was a top level racer it explains some of the experiences he has had.

        I just come here for the lols. If you feel the need to defend him go ahead but from what I’ve seen he can defend himself. I was just making the point that not everyone experiences what he does and also to see some internet chaos.


  32. While everyone is discussing about the status of Sim racing right now in what appeared to be a “golden age” of sim racing (but it’s not, that’s “the dark age of sim racing”), some dude at r/NASCAR make a paperclip track.

    Heck, even Texas Motor Speedway also create a paperclip track.

    And then there a paperclip Brian France that doesn’t like him at all…

    Until then, find some hobbies if you are bored or tired of manchildren. Visit Reddit/NASCAR if you don’t believe me.


  33. I feel famous, you do realize my hero card was a gag gift to a few people and nothing more right? But hey since you took the time to write about just let me know if you want one hahaha


  34. I love this site(mainly because I know it’s not like car magazines who are shit scared to say anything bad about the German thug marques etc, but please lets have more stories on actual Sim racing, rather than people who participate within the genre or Iracing, it’s not even massively popular and it may have more features like track changing etc but for pure driving feel I don’t see what all the fuss is about theres not that different from most other driving sims, they all have good and bad bits., I know there’s not enough games released to constantly write about, but more info on whats happening within the sim world in regards to leagues and groups we can join etc, especially covering other titles rather than just the usual old PC ones that have been floating about for years, the console sim world seems to be far bigger than the PC, I may wrong as I don’t have anything to back that up other than the far higher number of console games shipped, I hate the slightly PC elitism on here, and also the sim-cade nonsense, the ultra realistic sims are never going to be massive as the following is so small and some people live in dream land believing any game is close to the real thing, g forces will never be replicated in a fecking game, as long as I feel the basic characteristics of driving i.e weight transfer, understeer, oversteer, real tracks, various weather conditions, lots of cars I am happy as is the majority of racing game drivers, I-Racing from the short time I have played didn’t make go whoa this is far better and more real than most other games I have played, and please all you aholes that complain about this site, your life must be so exciting that you find so much time to spend on a site you ahte, if i don’t like eating soemthing guess what??? I don’t eat lets try turn this site into the no 1 sim/semi sim racing game site rather than a bitch fest, why don’t some of you guys on here posting try get people involved in your leagues, clubs etc.


    1. You know James tried to launch a league race from this platform right?
      Participation was non existent to put it lightly.
      Competitive Sim racing is dead.
      Unless you’re on Iracings service
      But the games will live on creating the solo experience all the losers need to feel like a virtual champ beating the AI.
      Because of course. Where you slot in in Sim racing is too easily quantified by lap times, wins and podiums. If you’re the 97% that are not competitive or talented enough.
      You compete in your own little corner or niche of friends you create.


  35. First, I see no mention of SJ allegedly making threats of shooting his uni in the linked article.

    The important part is, there is no escape from drama in any kind of subject/fandom. Ever. Cringe, drama and autists that will lead to the two will always exist. All inevitable controversial statements and moves will also eventually lead to drama.

    Everyone seems to compare simracing with flight sims, but I’ve personally compared the emulation developers’ quest for accuracy of emulating their pretend consoles/computers to the quest of simulation value in sim racing. These arguments are fought mainly in /r/emulation and /emugen/ (on /vg/).

    I personally wonder what simracing developer (or any other game developer, really) could beat byuu’s autism (developer of higan/bsnes emulator; the dude is so super-serious about SNES emulation that he’s in quest of collecting almost every game and peripheral for it). Tensions with his critics once lead him to nuke his forum from scratch and even disable registration for it, as well as viewing of his forum for guests. He also says he would also like on working on emulating other Nintendo handhelds, but reportedly he’s against working on Nintendo 64 (whose currently available emulators have lots of issues) simply because (IIRC) he had issues with beating a Zelda game for it. And that’s not counting the autism of RetroArch developers who’s insistent on not calling RetroArch an emulator, since it is basically a compilation of open-source emulators (called cores by RetroArch devs) and Haze (MAME – arcade emulator – dev) having tirade on licensing on his blog (he has since hidden his posts on it). I would have mentioned other controversial pretend console developers too, but I think I went off-topic here.


  36. Stopped racing online a long time ago. Now I just run in a private server with my 19 y/o son.

    IRL, I raced my dads Schnitzer 323i back in 1983-84 and once had a real honest-to-God tryout (I did OK, ended up going to college and med school instead) at Road Atlanta in a Roush Mustang. I can remember my dad leaning in the window beforehand and shouting all this stuff but I couldn’t hear anything cause I wasn’t wearing earplugs (the 323 didn’t need them) and that V8 had made me deaf. I kept nodding and giving the thumbs up til they set me loose 🙂

    I’ve encountered a lot of the same bizarre cliquish behavior this story talks about. Having actually raced, I’d rather not deal with it. Real drivers never acted like that. They were more openly insulting, but in a good-natured direct sorta way and everyone basically gave each other shit. We raced hard and you cheated if you thought you could get away with it.

    A lot of Sim racers remind me of the high school chess club, with a lot of beta male, passive-aggressive reverse snobbery going on. Not surprised at all that they harass real drivers.


    1. A lot of sim racers are deeply resentful that they have not the talent nor the opportunity to be a real racing driver, and that’s why they get so angry and take these games so seriously.


  37. I’ve got a good expression for these kind of members you wrote about: ‘fashion simracers’.

    You know, I used to play with sim games almost 10 years now, but I’m going to end this, because what happens in the community, it is ridiculous. In that league I used to drive, was pretty professional; I mean, everybody knew the rules, and knew what allowed and not. Nowadays? 2 days before the race, you have to point attention for everyone to use the brake in time, in the first lap, before T1…very ridiculous.

    Simracing, and the community has changed – definitely not in the right way.


  38. Your obsession with the image of sim racing and this article is ironic.

    As Michael Henke pointed out, you are taking yourself and sim racing way too seriously.
    Fact is, hardly anyone gives a flyin fuck.

    PRC social media clicks, amirite?

    Keep up the good work.


    1. bot420, you are right. He thinks he’s the ambassador of sim racing so he’s trying to moderate so that everyone does everything to his standards: dfgt, g27 pedals, $10 chair, $20 desk, 2009 pc specs, no hero cards, circlejerk on teamspeak, link to previous articles as source, pretend, push people away from sim racing, review non-simracing games and say they are better, become a physics guru with reader submissions.


      1. edit: “review non-simracing games and say they are better” didn’t mean to say in this way, of course many non-sims are better as games than sims, but it ends there. Doesn’t matter that brick rigs has night day, snow, rain, cars dismount with damage, these all are arcade unreal engine features. I don’t understand how a physics guru doesn’t understand it.


  39. “but very similar to the predicament My Little Pony enthusiasts found themselves in a few years ago, it’s difficult to show off what the sim racing community is about to an outsider”

    Interesting analogy. It does seem like a similar situation. In either case, the truly obsessive are the most vocal and readily apparent, often reflecting on everyone else who happens to have some level of interest in the subject.

    Kinda burnt out on sims and video games for the time being. Need to buy a new wheel or pedals at least and ended up buying another project car instead. Completely uninterested in allocating just $100 away from project to fake pedals right now…maybe later.


  40. While I agree the examples in this article are definitely cringeworthy, the thing is: you could write an article like this about literally any hobby there is. Cringe is not exclusive to simracing.

    Also, when you start talking about cancerous/toxic communities and using the words autism/autistic as an insult, you should be aware that you’ve just become part of the problem.


  41. I hate to say, but I used to do this. One time there was this board at school where we put up pictures of ourselves doing sports and activities outside of school, and I put up a screenshot of the results in a hosted GT3 race in which I finished fourth out of about 10 or 15. I feel embarrassed just thinking about it.


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