Milestone Presents “eSports”

Well this is certainly awkward.

After praising Milestone’s efforts in both releasing a competent motocross racer – MXGP 3 – as well as their recent acquisition of the rights to an officially licensed Monster Energy AMA Supercross game in the near future, it appears to be two steps forward and one step back for the other Italian developer team whose products most customers approach with the utmost of  caution. MotoGP ’17 released just a few short weeks back, no longer bearing the namesake of Valentino Rossi but bringing with it a robust single player career mode, yet the online element has come under fire from the hardcore motorcycle userbase as of late for a laughably poor implementation of competitive head-to-head multiplayer action.

And as you can probably guess from the title of this article, dubbing this kind of gameplay experience to be “eSports” only rubs salt on an open wound. Devoid of any authentic MotoGP action, the eSports realm of MotoGP ’17 is more or less a pristine example of what happens when developers are completely apathetic towards what actually constitutes as some sort of competitive eSports environment; instead using it as a lazy buzzword to mask on-track action that is no more structured than motorcycle racing in Grand Theft Auto V.

Uploaded by two wheel enthusiast One Racer, the eight minute footage below displays everything wrong with MotoGP ’17’s eSports realm. There are quite simply no rules or penalties in effect, with the on-track product resembling a metaphorical wild west; riders cut the chicanes at Le Mans as they see fit, pile-drive each other into corners, and generally have zero intentions of putting on any sort of clean. respectful race – save for the creator of the video. Had this been a private lobby with a bunch of kids screwing around, there’s really nothing to write home about – it’s kids being kids – but this is instead what Milestone are actively advertising as some sort of hardcore eSports functionality. As a developer of strictly racing games dating back to the mid 1990’s, I’m not sure how Milestone had the balls to release an eSports feature set without any enforced rules or general mandated ettiquette whatsoever. How do you host a competition and offer an array of prizes knowing full well people can just ignore entire sections of the circuit they’re competing on?

It’s all kind of retarded, but you’ll have to see it for yourself in the video.

However, I don’t want to place the blame solely on Milestone for this abomination; I instead want to explore how this blatant example of a developer half-assing the eSports element can be used as a warningfor what’s to come. Obviously with the whole eSports craze still going strong, it’s only natural for developers to try and cash in on the festivities by any means necessary. A full year from now, I’m almost expecting every racing title on the market to feature some sort of tacked-on eSports spin-off mode, with each of them just as pointless as what Milestone have created in MotoGP ’17. And can you blame them? Well no, it’s a pretty simple way to attain sales; move the Ranked Play option to a different sub-menu and call it eSports. Done. Zero effort. Now you have guys who otherwise wouldn’t care about MotoGP buying the title out of curiosity because there’s some prize at the end, and it’ll somehow justify all the time they’ve spent in-game.

The problem which arises, is that continuing to half-ass this stuff is actually going to backfire long-term. The more developers that shamelessly try to tack on eSports implementation when they clearly don’t have the interest in making it a proper competitive format, the faster that particular portion of their audience interested in eSports stuff will turn away from these games altogether, and therefore losing customers – leading to this era of sim racing being dubbed “that awkward eSports period.” Nobody wants an entire selection of games bundled with a feature set little make use of, solely because it’s a waste of time. If you want a good example of this occurring with a previous feature implementation inside the world of sim racing, just look at what happened with Need for Speed’s Autolog feature from a few years back. The dynamic leaderboards were a focal part of the franchise for several iterations on the Xbox 360, but did anyone actually make use of them to the fullest extent, or did they have enough friends who also owned Need for Speed to the point wher leaderboard battles were remotely compelling? No, not by a long shot.

Now the Autolog system has been reduced to an awkward intrusion for those who fire up past Need for Speed titles.The lack of any depth to an eSports element – in some cases – can also act as a shit test for certain developers. If a team such as Milestone push out such a horrid ranked racing environment, it gives customers a reason to believe that other aspects of the game – or entirely separate products of theirs – also suffer from the same lack of vision, cohesion, structure, and compelling aspects, further reducing sales from multiple titles, because the customers were so put-off by the developer’s inability to capitalize on a wave of popularity when it mattered the most. Buzzwords and colorful language aside, it plain and simple indicates the developer team don’t care about being truly innovative with their product, and are mindlessly throwing random shit onto the game disc to see if it works or not.

And if that’s a team’s plan of action, they unfortunately reap what they sow. If their plan is to merely half-ass things and hope people are okay with it, they have no right to complain about “toxic” sim racers slamming the product in reviews and on forums, as that’s the kind of reception you’re going to receive if it’s blatantly obvious you’re just nicking stuff that’s popular in other genres to throw in your game, whether they actually contribute to the experience or not.

Either do it right, or save us the frustration and don’t do it at all.


27 thoughts on “Milestone Presents “eSports”

  1. Yea that video captures a whole lot of head scratching assholery right there. It’s bad enough that people suck but to drop all that coin and have the programmers give you a great big fuck you, yea wtf.


      1. no they don’t. They gave him some goodies (PC to run the game) and an amateur race car with sms sponsor, that’s besides the salary he receives from them.

        I wonder how much Montoya receives but I don’t think is as much as Austin. Sev on the other hand does this for free, with an occasional free train ticket to bandai namco’s HQ in Germany.


  2. The two guys who tried riding properly finished near the back and with laptimes 10s slower than those MotoRacers :p. There’s no penalty for abusive leaning while cornering on the grass and crash recovery is so good, I’m sure in some tracks it’s beneficial to ram into a corner and .5s later be back up and running, with the incredible and stable acceleration these bikes were given in the game.


  3. Isn’t this “e-sport” thing just what we used to call “online multiplayer”, only with a catchier name? -_-


    1. That’s what SMS is using now, calling esport to online multiplayer. GTSport is the same, but James already made an article saying their esports sucks and now they are doing the same with motogp 17. Don’t you see a pattern in James agenda, to put down the competition so that the “same features” of the game where he’s employed for to do well in the public’s eye. Pcars2 is also betting on esports, so it would be in their interest for James to write articles criticizing other games attempt at esport, or online multiplayer if it doesn’t arrive to that.


      1. Esports requires defined rules enforced by the game itself. Something MotoGP isn’t doing. They don’t even give you a laptime penalty and there is no reduction of speed when going off track either which is ridiculous.

        There is certainly a trend with these articles though and we all know pcars2 isn’t going to make it in any esports scene. Not a chance. The game will be far too buggy for that. The latest build I played was an absolute mess and it’s clear it’s the same physics engine with almost no improvement. The ai is also still absolutely terrible.

        It’s just going to be a bad game again with an unstable frame rate that crashes alot and sends vehicles flying through the air


        1. The game does have defined rules, it’s just that they are not the same as the ones from the actual MotoGP championship. If there’s no penalty for cutting corners then you just have to cut corners yourself. Same with crashing into other people.


            1. I’m not defending shit, all I’m saying is that even if a game is full of exploits, as long as it’s the same for all the players it’s still a game and it’s still balanced. An example would be Chivalry: Medieval Warfare with all the dragging and rainbows: the people who try to fight in a realistic way get destroyed, while the ones doing stupid shit hit them through their shields. Of course that kind of thing should not happen in an officially licensed game.

              It would still be hilarious to watch an official tournament on TV, like they are planning to, with everyone cutting through the grass, crashing to save time and punting one another to win that BMW.


    2. E-Sport is when an online multiplayer mode is so popular that there’s money to be made from it by organizing tournaments and participating in them. The closer any of these games will ever come to that is what Bigben did (does?) with their shitty WRC games: trick some of their partners into providing prizes and broadcast a one-off online tournament pretending there’s a massive community supporting it, rather than it being a promotional event. But is Milestone doing even that? I’ve not heard anything about it.


      1. But has even Milestone advertised their game as an esport? Or is just James doing bad journalism once again with an agenda in mind?


        1. “Everything you need to know about the MotoGP eSports Championship is below, and to discover more about how developers Milestone and Dorna are planning to make MotoGP the world’s biggest racing eSport, we spoke to the game’s marketing manager Andrea Loiudice.

          The first MotoGP eSport Championship will feature seven online time trials on PS4 throughout the season
          The 16 fastest players will qualify for the Iive final ahead of the Valencia Grand Prix
          The final will be broadcast live by Dorna’s TV partners
          The winner will get a BMW M240i

          Why did Dorna decide that wanted to get into eSports?

          Andrea Loiudice: They know the potential of eSports. They have sponsors already working in the eSports world and they want to move as quickly as possible in this world. We told them that it’s pretty late for 2017, because we are already working on the game, but they said, ‘It’s not a problem, let’s start with a smaller version of it. We know what the final goal is – we want to, in a few years, become the most important eSports racing championship’.

          Do you think there will be eSports races at every Grand Prix in the future?

          Probably, yes. That could come when we run a full online championship – and you could even have the real MotoGP teams having their own gamers. So, Honda would have Marquez and Pedrosa but also a gamer. That’s what Dorna want to do.”

          So it’s the same shit as the WRC tournament. A promotional event using the e-sport label, nothing more than that.

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          1. esports first have to develop in the community and with 3rd party companies getting involved in organizing this. But on the first part the game needs to have enough features and customizations for a streamlined competitive game mode and spectating mode.


  4. The people at Milestone should be jailed for releasing the same horrible reskinned games at full price for years now.

    What’s even worse is that thousands of retarded sheeple keep falling into the PR talk trap saying that “this year we really improved the physics”

    No you didn’t you lying italian assholes, my grandma’s shopping trolley handles more like a motorcycle than the abominations in your game.


    1. They’re just trying to make a buck for living, like James does with his job at SMS. No matter how shitty both are, just trying to make a living at all costs.


      1. You get it boy. Community contest such a joke in pcars. None were validated changing rules each round. Where pcars is worse and pc2 Will is That they need to buy James and others stuff to agressivly sold their shit. Entiendes ?


  5. In my opinion, Jews really give the game away when they start claiming that any criticism of any individual Jew is anti-Semitism.

    Because of course, the argument of anti-Semites is that Jews are a collective, and thus individual Jews represent a “Jewish agenda.”

    Soros in particular has been singled out by anti-Semites as a representative of a global Jewish agenda. So for Jewish groups to say “by criticizing Soros, you are criticizing the global Jewish agenda” seems very unhelpful to their own agenda.

    Apparently, they just cannot help themselves.


    The head of Hungary’s Jewish federation is calling on Prime Minister Viktor Orbán to remove billboards with Jewish billionaire George Soros’ face that have popped up around the country.

    Andras Heisler, president of the Federation of Hungarian Jewish Communities, noted that anti-Semitic graffiti written on the government-funded billboards “recall Hungary’s dark periods.”

    “The billboard campaign, while not openly anti-Semitic, can still very much unleash uncontrolled anti-Semitic and other feelings,” Heisler wrote. “This poisonous message hurts all of Hungary.”

    The billboards feature a smiling George Soros with the words, “Let’s not let Soros have the last laugh.” In small print, the billboard reads, “99% Reject Illegal Immigration.”

    The campaign uses “imagery that evokes memories of the Nazi posters during the Second World War showing ‘the laughing Jew’,” Human Rights Watch campaigner Lydia Gall told Reuters. “The campaign encourages anti-Semitism.”

    Yeah, I mean, I of course agree with this: George Soros does represent all Jews.

    But you would think Jews themselves wouldn’t want to draw attention to that fact.

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