Direct Drive Wheels – When a fancy Toy Steering Wheel costs more than putting your ass in a Real Car

Forgive me if this post is all over the place, but there’s a few topics I want to address here and I’ll try to cover everything I can under one roof.

To kick things off, Darin Gangi of InsideSimRacing uploaded what’s basically a review of the SimXperience Accuforce Pro Direct Drive Wheel. We have openly voiced our dislike for InsideSimRacing on numerous occasions, but we have to give credit where credit is due – this review kicks all sorts of ass from a viewer standpoint. It was just the right length, covered every single detail about the wheel, and answered every single question that could have possibly popped up when it comes to a relatively new and expensive technology in consumer Sim Racing wheels.

Watch it first if you haven’t already:

I don’t like Darin’s choice of games he used to test the wheel, but I think it’s obvious from reading other entries in this blog that we don’t particularly care for iRacing or Project CARS. What did catch my eye though, was the wheel’s insane price:

priceSim Racers are no strangers to spending money; iRacing’s content and subscription packages can see users shell out upwards of $800 to own all tracks and cars within the popular online racing sim, on top of a yearly $99 subscription fee (but we do have to mention it goes on sale regularly). rFactor 2 has a $40 online subscription, R3E’s content is separated into different packs and “Experiences”, and on the console side we see games like Forza Motorsport 5 allowing you to spend real-world money to cheat a bit and buy cars for your virtual garage if you can’t afford to unlock them the honest way.

So a nearly $2000 toy steering wheel is seen as a bargain by the people who can afford it – they are already used to spending money on everything else and are either too old or out of the loop to realize that’s fucking insane and video games normally don’t cost that much. Nobody seems to acknowledge that at the end of the day, it’s still a toy steering wheel, and you’re still playing pretend race cars. In fact, you’ll even start to see some guys, and Chris has been telling me about this in the Hardware section of iRacing’s forums, that early adopters of these wheels are claiming they’re receiving a performance advantage and “you aren’t a true simmer if you haven’t seen the light of this technology.”

Yet, no cars on iRacing aside from the IndyCar – which lacks power steering, and Dario Franchitti wrote a nice piece breaking down the whole thing here – even warrant a steering wheel with that much torque. In fact, there’s a very real chance people might hurt themselves on these things if they’re not careful.

And you’ll also see in several different forums – the main argument I’m going to make with this post – is that Sim Racers justify these strange pricing models forย  both hardware and software as cheaper than real racing.

It’s not.

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For $650, or a third of the price of an Accuforce Direct Drive wheel, you can put your ass in a Stock Car and get a NASCAR Whelen All-American Series competition license. Not one of those Richard Petty Driving Experience deals, not one of those SuperCar Ride-A-Long’s you’ll see at your local road course the handful of rich dudes put on with their Ferrari 360 Modena’sthe real deal.

And this gets better.

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We don’t have a big auto racing scene in Western Canada, as most people would rather obsess over our perennially shitty hockey team and we lost our IndyCar event because nobody went to the races and people got mad when they found out we used our taxpayer dollars to fund it. Regardless, our lone NASCAR sanctioned track in Alberta has a date on the NASCAR Canadian Tire Series schedule and there indeed are a group of dedicated drivers who race under the lights every Saturday night once the snow melts.

For $750, you can join them in a car appropriate for a rookie driver, and that’s if you don’t have a couple buddies willing to split the cost of the car and take turns driving so you have a crew, basically bringing your grand total of the whole venture to $1400, $50 cheaper than the Do-It-Yourself Accuforce kit – you know, the “cheap” option:

DIYI ain’t here to tell y’all how to spend your money, but you gotta understand, the more hype I see generated for these expensive Direct Drive wheels, the more I shake my head. If you’ve got the $1700 for a top of the line sim wheel, be sure to explore every other option first. It may be fun to rip around the Nurburgring in a Lotus 49 with the pinnacle of force feedback technology firmly attached to your desk, but for a couple hundred dollars less, you’ll have an infinitely cooler story to tell and an excuse to leave the house on Saturdays.

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47 thoughts on “Direct Drive Wheels – When a fancy Toy Steering Wheel costs more than putting your ass in a Real Car

  1. Well, to someone with limited funds, yes, this seems like a foolish way to spend money.

    I’m single with no dependents (unless you count my cat), and I make decent money. I will be buying a DD wheel as soon as I figure out which option is for me, because I can afford to do so without breaking the bank/cashing out my life savings. I think people who make enough money to have some expendable income are the intended market for these wheels, not struggling young adults who may or may not still live with their folks, and are looking to upgrade from a DFGT or G27.

    No offense to any of those types meant at all, I was one for longer than I care to admit…

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  2. If you have the instant money for it yea, even if you save some months to get one. A wheel is always reusable every day and in all sims. If you want to upgrade to a better product and want to do DD types of wheel, why not spend this amount on such a package. Especially if you’re getting better pedals.

    These wheels have less heat? Because me spinning hardly the G27 for 10min, will already be hot on top.

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  3. I could understand that if you’ve got the money for these wheels, then knock yourself out, but in reality, how many of the best iRacing members are using wheels like the DFGT, G27 or at best something from Thrustmaster or Fanatec. If these DD wheels are making people faster, then I’d hate to see what their lap times were beforehand.

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    1. But is not about making you faster. Is to give you a driving experience with equipment closely similar to the quality and forces from a real car. Many iracers are just about clinical competition, their aim isn’t to enjoy the car, is to win win win.
      I play AC and sometimes SCE because I want to enjoy the cars and tracks.

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      1. Yeah, I don’t honestly believe that it can give a significant competitive advantage, if at all.

        I definitely see the draw in terms of immersion, which can certainly result in better driving. That’s partly a mindset/focus thing, though.

        That said, I doubt I could ever convince myself to buy one, simply because I’m a cheap bastard with regards to wheels.

        Actually, I would probably injure myself with a direct drive. I already get this twinge in my left shoulder after about an hour of intense driving, which results in me driving one-handed down the straights in long races while I stretch… The weird thing is that nothing else causes this twinge, only racing on my toy wheel…

        Hell, one of those wheels would almost certainly destroy my desk anyways, lol.

        So yeah… When you get your direct drive, you should sell me your g27 for my own safety/health.

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  4. I’d love to have one but not for the reasons that everyone wants them.

    1. Which is to run too much ffb because I can and lol no clipping(as stated no cars in iracing would warrant that unless it’s the Indy car)
    2. Pretend it will make them faster
    3. To show everyone else they have it

    I would want it for the 1:1 linearity.

    As I mentioned in my earlier article there is conflicting reports on if the feel is better or the same which is either driver software being too new or iracing so physics.

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  5. It’s not necessarily cheaper to race for real, any series I’d like to get involved with would make laps around the price I pay for a DD wheel, hydro pedals, hydro ebrake, transducers, motion rig, G-seat, VR etc.
    Currently I’m drifting a car I bought for $2200 with a drivetrain I bought for a little over $8000.
    That’s cheaper, right?
    No.

    Gas, clutches, rebuilding coilovers, tires, entry fees, oil changes after every event, buying multiple rims for spares, replace rad hoses and I could go on and on.
    I’m already past $15,000 just on my drift car and getting out there drifting.
    I could’ve just used a stock 240 (which go for 3-4K usually now btw) and spent money on coilovers, seat etc but I don’t find joy without power.

    Not to mention my “street” car which will be spending a lot of time on a road course is getting all the upgrades you can shake a fist at to make it a beastly grip car, because not only do I like to race – I like to go fast and have the car look how I want, too.

    My cousin races stock cars and he’s well over that $15,000 price point as well after 6 years. Well over.

    So yes, if you want to be technical you can race for less than the Accuforce.. but there are many levels of racing.

    If you smoked like I did and quit – put the money you save away each month and that’ll pay for your dream sim racing setup in a matter of time, as you put your income towards your real cars.
    With sim racing I just drop in and get lost while I’m not in a real car, with no usage fee other than hydro, whenever I want, for such an unlimited amount of time as it seems these high-end parts are built to reflect their price.

    p.s greetings from western Canada ๐Ÿ˜‰

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      1. …and how much is a set of tires for one of these bad boys? What about when its not street legal and you need to tow it to and from the track? The travel expenses to and from the track? And when someone wrecks you in turn one? Yeah, let’s say the car is FREE. How much does this other stuff cost? No thanks. DD wheel please 24/7 weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

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    1. yeah, entry price =/= final cost.
      cars a long term hemorrhage of money. if you’re not replacing tires, your replacing parts you broke.
      that said, i’d prefer to do it then spend extra money on a fancy wheel.

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  6. Oh we are, are we? I see that’s one topic but not all.
    Why was NASCAR Whelen All-American Series even mentioned then?
    It was never specified that putting your ass in a real car meant it had to be for less than an Accuforce.

    Shit, go-karting costs much more than an Accuforce and that’s on another level than a beater short track street stock.
    I also brought up the mini-stock that my cousin races, that purchase may not cost much but the parts, labor and fees sure beat down the cost of an Accuforce

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  7. Gonna go devil’s advocate here. $1700 is a set of race tires that you might get, 2-3 weekends out of in a club race environment, for circle track, it’s a weekend.

    For guys that seriously race and are building a real rig at home to get accurate “sim” type setups, for off season skills sharpening and such, this really isn’t much of an expense.

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    1. There’s something extremely wrong if you’re going through $1700 of tires a week in a 4 banger class. There’s probably something wrong if you’re doing it in general.

      The solution is to race dirt anyways.

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  8. This wheels won’t make you faster,but it’s easier to be more consistent with them and the imersion is so much better, i have a T500RS and hate the freaking thing, 1.the clamp sucks,2. i like to run quite a bit of ffb and after a 15min it makes more noise than the car in the game, overheats like crazy, 3. very hard to find good settings for each sim, 2000e is a bit pricy and i for one wouldn’t pay but …..you know..
    About real life racing, track days are cheep yes, actual racing isn’t at all doubt i can find some sort of league that i can run the hall championship with 2000e, even in UK.
    Like in every hoby/passion each person wants a different thing out of it, others want to win(like stated in a previos post) others want imersion, others are just joking around…..we don’t have to criticise does who go bunkers on a simracing rig

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  9. Have you ever tried to race a beater $750 car? You are not racing but constantly anticipating when will it give up. And it sure as hell will. First of all you need to be a car mechanic with all the tools available to try it at all. Then there is this and that small thing required to get it ready for the next track day/race and you are at $1200 suddenly with just 10 laps down.

    Real cars cost a lot per lap, I own a couple real race cars and most of the time they stay parked as it is too expensive to race them as often as I can race in sims.

    Just towing a car to the track, fuel, tires and maintenance crew is ~$300 per day, and that is without even driving a single lap. Also, go-karts is the closest thing you will get to open wheelers for that money.

    I do agree that the sum might be a lot for direct drive wheel, but stating that you can race real cars for less money indicates that you haven’t actually tried it.

    Be my guest to do an experiment and see how long will your $1400 racing career lasts. I would even be willing to donate some monies towards it if you go through with it.

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    1. Mmm, idk.

      I think you’re all kind of going off in the wrong direction with regards to affordable racing.

      Autocross is where you start. Many events that you can drive your car to (might need someone else to drive another, just in case you trash your car). One of the best ways to save money is to simply avoid any rough tracks that pound bumpstops. If you avoid those, you shouldn’t incur an excessive amount of suspension damage in a single race.

      I’ve never seen anyone at a beginner event with a ‘maintenance crew’. Basically everyone does their own work and has no wish to damage their vehicle by driving like fools. Plenty of ‘$750 beaters’ and hardly any mechanical failures, as 99% of the racers actually have a working understanding of automobiles…

      Fun, clean and cost-efficient beginner racing for auto enthusiasts, not bumper-cars for ‘how does engine work’ types looking to burn some cash.

      Now, with growing popularity, maybe things have changed. I can easily see how a bunch of inexperienced drivers with more cash than sense could ruin the ‘affordable’ aspect for everyone else.

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      1. I love autocross! I love even more baking in the sun for 6 hours waiting to collect cones so I can get my 3 minutes of driving time for the whole day so I can end up last because I didn’t fit R Compound tires on my Miata. Sign me up!

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      2. Not really the sort of events I was talking about.

        Sounds like the particular events in your area are not catering to the cheap and fun ‘class’ and there are too many drivers.

        Miata with R compound is a go-kart in comparison and not what I meant by ‘beginner racing’.

        Also, I don’t mean necessarily mean parking lots with cone layouts. Don’t care for that too much myself.

        Perhaps I’m using the term ‘autocross’ a bit too loosely. A decently maintained miata with scruffy body panels and h-rated is what I mean, as some of the local events are on smooth dirt tracks with actual races, not just time trials. Some of the guys used their daily drivers.

        I think your Miata is probably a bit too serious for that sort of racing ๐Ÿ˜‰

        I haven’t been keeping up with it in the last few years, so it’s easily possible that way too many people are involved now and the general level of modification is much higher.

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  10. Well I have had two DD wheels one being an AF but I prefer my current more expensive and more powerful OSW. DD wheels are bloody fun that’s for certain and the iracing “game” simulates the real deal a hell of a lot better when your holding on to something with a bit of power behind it. You also get a bit of excercise when the FFB torque is ramped up. Can’t beat real racing but iracing can be a great alternative with the right hardware.

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  11. I’m not particularly sure why anyone cares what someone spends their own money on, the sole purpose of this thread is to feed the OP’s ego

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  12. You might want to educate yourself about what it costs to race in real life. Get out of your moms basement jerking iff and go and talk with people. Ask them they will tell you, and you will find out your are completely wrong. Get over yourself nobody like you or your website, matter of fact people point and laugh at your abortion of a website as your way of crying like a little kid.

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  13. Wow. OP is an idiot. For less than the price of his PC, he could have bought some grape seeds and wined in real life. c wut i did thur?

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  14. You are totally missing the point, and lots of details. That ‘crew’ to race will still need brakes, oil and tires, plus any repairs. And here the big one that you seemed to overlook (intentionally, to ‘hook to your readers?). That is for one race, which lasts a few hours. That $1,700 wheel will probably get more use that that in half a week. Count it, dollar for dollar, minute per minute. Sim racing is cheaper. You’ll drive that wheel for years on that $1,700, or you can drive ONE race for a couple hours. It’s a no-brainer. #fails

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  15. First off I’d to say that sim racing is not sim playing ! For the people that take it seriously it is a Simpson sport not a sim game . Second , your foolish if you think that someone who may want to experience racing at higher levels such as cup , can even come close with the dollar amount your suggesting. For example, the closest you could get to say a NASCAR Sprint Cup car would be in the K and N series , ARCA, or even a late model (although late models truly are alot different). So that being said, to run a competitive car in one of these series you better be ready to spend $50,000.00 + if you want to have any chance of being up front. Also let’s not forget the $2000.00 for tires every weelend (which by the way is very reasonable at the higher levels of racing). ARCA for example pays on an average of $11,000.00 dollars to win. And if the winner has budgeted well and have a lot of volunteers helping him, he may walk away with a few hundred dollars in his pocket after paying all the expenses. The ARCA series would be considered the one series that is closest to a Sprint Cup experience. It takes around one million dollars to fund a competing ARCA team for a season.
    Now all of that being said, I do agree that sim racing peripherals are way to expensive! I just don’t agree that one is not better than the other and I don’t agree on your argument about what experience you could get in the real world for the money. I’ve been involved in racing at the top levels for years, even as a team member in the Sprint Cup series. I know what it cost to race in the real world. And at the money you suggested, you couldn’t run a street stock car for more than a race or two . So Sims like I racing are a huge bargain in comparison. Oh did I forget to mention that in the real world we also have to pay for the repairs when we crash , and actually get greasy putting hours and hours of hard work into them ?

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  16. With sim racing, I race/practice pretty much every day… So, price per race/mile, it’s cheaper… even if you devalue the virtual race/virtual mile, it’s still cheaper.

    I paid $1500 for a “seat rental” to race at Circuit of the America’s, here in Austin, TX. It was an endurance race, Two 8-hr days, 4 drivers… With red flags, and eventual breakdowns of the car, I logged 2 hrs of driving over two days… One of our 4 guys logged 75 mins… I did it because it was a bucket list item for me to race on COTA (I live literally 1.5 miles from it) but I can’t afford that kind of money for a one weekend-hope no one crashes into our car event… So… making the sim rig as real as possible is still the safer bet. for me, at least. Cheers!!

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    1. Sim racing for me is a sport. I’ve raced all of my life and like so many of us, our lives change. Wife,kids, ect. And I had to give up driving myself but I was fortunate enough, with a lot of hard work, to make a career in the NASCAR Sprint Cup series as a team member. I’ve been involved in many different series , from the cheapest Saturday night smash em up, to Sprint Cup cars, and even at the lowest levels it can get quite costly.
      IRACING may not have the best of one thing, graphics, physics , ect. But as a whole I think it offers the best and closest you will get to being evolved in the real thing. People sometimes forget that driving a race car is not easy, or every one would be a winner. So I say to all of these people who feel as if a particular I racing car isn’t driving well, keep practice, it’s not the car, it’s the driver. There are improvements I wish iracing would a dress, such as loosing points when some other idiot takes you out. But over all they have done a nice job. And if your real serious, you can actually win some real money. There are plenty of private series within iracing that pay pretty well if your good. And the iracing series itself offers a very nice purse for winning it’s championship if you go pro. And it’s no different then the real world, there is a reason you see the same guys at the pro level, their that good!
      I just think to many people knock iracing down because they look at it as a game. Iracing was never intended to be a game. It is a driving simulation that has grown into a very real sport ! Many of the drivers in the 3 top NASCAR series are friends or acquaintances of mine, and a number of them use iracing to practice while at home. Teams are also now using iracing to help development drivers hone their skills and learn tracks they have not raced on yet. Those drivers that use iracing will tell you that there is no other simulation that gets you closer to the real thing then iracing does. That should tell alot of people something !
      So yes, iracing does cost more than these other online racing games. But at least as for now , there is nothing that will get you closer to the real thing for the money. And there is currently no other online racing that will get you closer to the real thing as iracing.
      Anyone who approaches it as a serious online sport, and puts the time and effort into it just as you would in any other sport or competition, those people will never ever refer to iracing as a game again.

      Thanks
      And I hope to see you on the track

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      1. iRacing is an online video game with expensive micro-transactions. I feel genuinely bad for the people who perform such incredible mental gymnastics to somehow convince themselves it is in an entirely different category. I’ve played it. I’ve been successful at it. The game is NASCAR 03 with a tire model that totally changes the handling characteristics every few months or so, and breaks all your old setups.

        John at my local Subway is not a “sandwich artist”, and my burnt Pizza Sub is not his “canvas.” No amount of fancy wordplay will change the fact that he’s a random Asian dude making me lunch for minimum wage, the same way nobody will successfully argue that iRacing is this completely separate entity from the competition.

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        1. I dont know if you’ve noticed, but in the real world they never run the same setup. Track conditions change, weather changes, and one team has always found something that makes them a bit faster. The point you just made about the setups is actually a better argument as to why it’s not a game. Like I said, if you don’t want to work at it, then there are plenty of games out there where the car will always drive the same with the setup you put I it. And iracings surface, weather, and tire model are created to be as dynamic as possible along with some other factors. Constantly changing, just like the real world.
          Have you ever watched a NASCAR race ? One driver could be kicking everybody’s ass for the first half but get his kicked the second half. It’s not because some other team suddenly found a better set up. It’s because they kept up with changing conditions.
          I play games and have used Sims. Some I like , some I don’t. But I don’t understand why somebody has got to go out and criticize something simply because they don’t like it or fail to want to believe that it is something it’s not. It makes you wonder how many people don’t even try something because of a hater ? How many people who may have loved it but didn’t even give it a chance because of an opinion ? If you don’t like it , that’s your choice and I’m not going to be upset at you for it. Obviously there are a large number of people who love iracing and enjoy it everyday. Spending their hard earned money to get away for a moment from the vigour of daily life. So how many people have missed out on something they may enjoy because they believed so heartily in your opinion ? Just something to think about

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        2. you are funny. Do you drink? If you do, ask yourself how much a pint of beer costs or a double vodka or a glass of wine. Do you smoke? Even more expensive.
          I got 50% off a sub at iracing for 2 years making the cost about $3 a month. I pack of fags in the UK costs about 8 GBP and a pint a bout 3 GBP. I dont drink or smoke so am free from these costs.
          For those who do smoke and call themselves smokers your looking at about a 20 pack a day if you are lucky. Thats 56 GBP a week. Not to mention they most likely drink, going to the pub every other night buying about 3-6-9 pints or something of the like. An average 4 nights a week at the pubs costs 70 GBP.
          56 + 70 = 122 a week x4 = 488 GBP for the month. And thats not a one off. Thats every God damn month. $630 for the months fags and drink.

          If you dont drink or smoke then find yourself lucky that you spent a bit on iRacing and saved yourself a lot of money on something that really is hard to understand how people spend so much on two things that are totally bad for them.

          In 3 months saving on drink and fags you buy that DD wheel.

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  17. This write up does not say anything remotely interesting.
    The differences between buying a DD wheel for your sim setup that will last you about a 100,000 + races in any car in pretty much any sim, solo, against the AI or in live competetive races and a 4 hour race day in a real car walking away from the ONE Saturday ( note ONE Saturday, unlike the (plural) Saturdays that have been metioned) with a lovely trophy hat! Is beyond stupididty.

    Not to mention after your use of the DD wheel you could probably sell it and buy some sort of day out in a real car. DD wheels are not about the power but about the DIRECT feedback. Fast, instant DIRECT feedback. So you feel as close to everything that you would driving a real car.

    This article is a toy.

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    1. Mike, could not agree more.
      I find this site an amusing read from time to time, because of the sheer amount of negativity and wasted energy being poured into their vehement opinions on a simple hobby that many enjoy – apparently the owners for whatever reason became disillusioned or soured by some experience or culmination of experiences, which I’m sure a major factor was their disagreement with the upwardly trending prices of SIM racing technology. One almost feels they are on some sort of personal vendetta to try to convince everyone that something they enjoy is not a worthwhile use of their time. But they are being force-ably subjective in an objective community. You can either afford the gear or you can’t. It’s that simple and applies to every purchase in life. Why is this any different?
      I once thought mountain biking would be my thing and that $2500 investment is gathering dust in the garage. I once thought a sport bike would be a wonderful weekend experience until some plonker using a cell phone decided to turn left without looking at a 4-way and hit me head on. $14K brand new (back in 2009) BMW S1000RR trashed and almost lost my life, and still endure the ongoing very real physical ramifications of that experience. I have a 2014 Porsche Cayman Turbo which I’ve kitted out a little (PSS9’s and some other handling parts) and enjoy doing driver education days at various race tracks.
      But, I love SIM racing too and I’m about to buy a DD wheel because I want more feel and I know it will provide that. And the cost of $2500 USD for something that will provide a fun hobby for at least 5 years is pretty inexpensive IMO if you consider the ongoing costs of any hobby.
      Is it the same as real life stuff like getting in my real car? No. But is it a useless waste of my time? Also no. I enjoy the community, and the competitive racing, which I would NEVER do in my real life car because I can’t afford a $70K mistake in real life. In iRacing or whatever SIM takes your fancy, you can push balls to the wall and if you end up in the wall, that’s ok.
      I think what the guys at PRC fail to understand or are willing to acknowledge is that many SIM enthusiasts also have real balanced lives outside of SIM racing and that they are completely entitled to have their hobby.
      Heck, isn’t life supposed to be about having fun guys? We all enjoy many different things, why do you feel the need to spew such negativity on the subject? If a person can afford to buy the gear for their hobby (any hobby) then why is that such a point of great contention for you guys? I understand you were once very good in SIM racing and did it with a cheap G27 wheel? That’s fantastic, you had the skill to do that and it’s already been noted that a better DD wheel may not make you any faster – although I don’t think you can argue that it’s a simple fact that the response times between a belt/cog driven wheel and DD will give you more immediate feedback and allow you more opportunity to re-correct the car. Surely just from a technology standpoint you can acknowledge that fairly simple rationale even if you don’t agree with the cost of the DD tech. And what exactly is your point about you being faster than guys with expensive setups? I know plenty of guys who are much faster than I am with very humble setups and I don’t think any less of them, nor do they chastise me for spending more money on my setup. It’s about having fun, and one can have many things in life the bring enjoyment and fun. Apply this to real life racing. Lewis hamilton used to turn up with his go-kart literally hanging out the back of his dad’s station wagon/hatchback because they couldn’t afford a trailer. Yet he proved that skill will always trump tech. In his current life role, he may disagree with that considering what’s going on in F1. The car is the differentiating factor and he is the first to admit that his car is simply better and despite his driving he has an advantage. Sounds like putting a DD wheel in the hands of an already great SIM racer who has been using a G27? He will be better, it’s just a fact.
      I’ll continue to tune in for a read here once in a while because I do find your rhetoric very amusing….it’s having absolutely no impact on my life decisions other than a wonderful giggle at your one sided, jaded viewpoints.
      Thanks for keeping up what you do. It’s a wonderful comedic pantomime you guys have going here.
      Cheers.

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    2. Real racing is infinitely better than pretend racing and if you seriously, inironically say otherwise you are either a retard or so shit at real driving that you’d rather sit infront of a computer than go out to the real world.

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  18. I real race stock cars in a series tailored to be affordable, and you’re delusional if you think the money spent on these sim rigs even approaches the cost of real racing. Just this morning I dropped $1500 on a broken quick change, and a typical weekend of amateur wheel to wheel racing will run you about 2 grand IF you don’t break anything. I’m building a SIM rig with motion and a DD Wheel, and skipping a few real races to make up the cost. It’s well worth it to get my fix when there’s snow on the ground. Check out the V8 Road Racing Series for some real amateur racing action.

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